The debate "Trump Did Not Lie in His SOTU as Dems Claim" was started by
February 5, 2020, 11:00 am.
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I wasn't saying that you personally said these things. But many, many people on the right did. Trump himself insisted that Obama was a kenyan. So don't pretend like the "left" is making stuff up. The right made up dozens of lies about Obama in an attempt to smear him. Those lies are now biting them in the a** because Obama was too far right on alot of issues, so if he is a "socialist", then you need someone to the left of a socialist to get things done. And now Bernie is looking like he may very well win.
Being "more socialistic" than the clintons is not saying much. They were basically republicans. And his policies were nowhere near as far left as FDR's. He took his healthcare plan from a right wing think tank for god's sake.
Obama was a half step left from the republican's and the republican "lite" (Clinton) that had ruled for the decade or 2 before him. But that doesn't mean he is far left. That means his predecessors were really far right.
Well I never saw Obama as a jihadi or a Communist. But I will say that that is the problem with you on the left, you act like you can read minds. You also make up what we said. I said that he went to a Muslims school, which is a fact, but then you go and say that I am comparing him to a jihadi. Now how is that going to help a divided country when all we do is talk past each other. So just to make it clear I do not believe that Obama was a Muslim (personally I don't think he was anything as far as religion), he wasn't born in Kenya ( however, the birth certificate we saw from Hawaii has some inconsistencies, but it could be just a mistake), and his policies were more socialistic than the Clintons or FDR's. So technically he was closer to being a Communist than his political predecessors, but we know he wasn't a Communist. Now, I will say that a lot of those who said crazy things like that from the right are mostly Never Trumpers today (think of Joe Walsh).
lol so obama said nice things about muslims once, so he must be a jihadi sleeper cell. That is the logic the right used. They also argued he was a communist and god knows what else.
But honestly it might be for the best. When you scream communist about a president who just a hair to the left of the republicans, the attack loses all meaning. So now most people don't see socialist as a slur any more because it has been used for every democrat for years. You may have paved the way for a president sanders.
I never said Obama was a Muslim or a Kenyan. But Obama did go to a Muslim school and apologized for American in the Muslim world.
lol i know. Also that he was a Muslim Kenyan. Right wing loons say lots of ridiculous things.
funny we said that about Obama
Didn't watch it. Trump lies so often that I try to listen to him as little as humanly possible for someone who pays attention to the news.