The debate "Trump is terrible but still better than hillary" was started by
August 9, 2016, 2:31 pm.
11 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 9 people are on the disagree side.
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thereal posted 2 arguments, dalton7532 posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 4 arguments, Nemiroff posted 6 arguments, iyah21 posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
thereal, dalton7532, moneybagboyz, Rakesh, Austin7779, charlieholmes and 5 visitors agree.
historybuff, Nemiroff, Iyah, iyah21, PsychDave and 4 visitors disagree.
trump supporters baffle me. they point to one act of charity in 30 years and say he is a champion of the little guy. then proceed to ignore all the little people he routinely screwed over.
they say he understands the economy. he runs businesses into the ground while personally profiting. that is not a model that anyone should want for America.
He has first hand experience on the economy and he knows how it works. You cannot say that about alot of political figures that ran. Hillary has been invlolved in her corrupt game of politics all her life and never experienced anything out of it. She is out of touch with the American people. She continues to sell herself out to corporations and her foundation gave out a national security job to someone who had no experience, but donated lots of money to the foundation. I can go on and on. He has been consistent on the issues true to him such as trade deals, guns, and the ignorant politicians. To say he does not care about people is forgetting he payed of an old widows house that was facing foreclosure after her husbands suicide to save the family financially. Every real estate person throws money at politics. It is the name of the game, and it does not make you a bad person. Do you get this?
And you support the family that has millions and millions of dollars doing nothing but bedding corporations with promises. Not creating an enterprise lile Donald, but playing the politic money game. Hey I'll take billions over honors any day.
This is a joke right? He isn't even educated on the government, he is just another business man who throws his money at politics just like your average celebrity. His only care is for money that involves benefitting him. His major was economics and he didn't even get honors in college for crying out loud. Do you know how poorly you have to do to not even get honors?? On top of that he has been flip flopping his political party identification for aalll these years, yet suddenly, the very millisecond a black president steps in office, he goes to the opposite party. He hates everything that doesn't relate to him whether it be his fake religion, race, money for the poor. come on now.
Hillary has moved all over two. Its now a matter of who do you think is most legitimate or who is better on the issues at the moment (from an ideological perspective).
dalton, seriously, what the hell.
you've numerously defended trump for his "evolving view points" but God forbid Hillary moves a little to the left and your up in arms accusing her of flip flopping.
at least her views evolve over years instead of in response to a single media cycle. but of course his is natural and she's being fake right?... hypocrite.
gay rights she has been consistent on. trade deals she's not against, she's against the tpp.
I am not against trade deals. I am against the parts of the tpp that let companies screw countries. it's called naunce... you've shown repeatedly you have no idea what that is.
she has always been a moderate, she ran on a platform of pragmatism. bernie forced her to the left. there's nothing contradictory there.
Trump switches positions over the course of hours, but you seem to ignore that while blasting Hillary switching over decades. that's the definition of a hypocrite.
Trade deals, gay marriage, and being a progressive/moderate? All of these things she has been consistent on? Rolflmao
.... and your bullshit is supported by evidence.... nowhere?
not only do we have her consistent support for gay rights, but also every law she has ever supported and voted for has been consistent on this point.
I have yet to see you provide a single link, and no curses don't count as evidence child.
her true core beliefs are that gay rights shouldnt exist. shes a traditional woman at heart. the only reason she "supported" gay righys in the 90s is so that her husband wouldnt lose support and the only reason she "supports" gay marriage now is so she can get elected. if public opinion didnt matter, shed use her judges to scrap gay marriage and everything if whe became president.the only reason she says she supports this stuff is so those idiotic democrat supporters vote for her and dont see her in a light similar to that in which they see trump.
I didn't say they are the same, I said they are not that big of a shift considering the times, and definitely not a shift in "core beliefs"
Apparently, it was enough to lie about it and change her position on it. I never said she did not support gay rights, but her belief on gay marriage did change. We are not discussing gay rights in general, but her opinions on who should be allowed to participate in marriage, which certainly did change. You keep saying marriage and civil unions are the same, Hillary clearly believed otherwise when she said "We need to protect the sactity of marriage"
what is your definition of a core belief? how is a semantic title a core belief?
her core belief was to support gay rights. the name and details of their union is nuance....
Her core belief at the time was not supporting gay marriage. She may have supported other gay rights, but marriage was not one of them. On the subject of gay marriage, she flip flopped. If I would have said she flip flopped on gay rights in general, you would have a point, but we are not discussing in general because we a are discussing marriage, a subject she never supported then supported. You can continue to deny that she flopped, but you will continue to look stupid.
Nemiroff, you sound like a CNN anchor, a class of people I thought you were above by alot. Trump's economic plan is great, and it is by far the best. Do you care, in your own words, to adress the problems with his plan from his speech?
I never cared if she changed her views. I only care when she lies about it to pursue a political agenda. When people blatantly lie about stuff like this I have many problems with that and so should you. Also, Trump still admires a single payer system, so idk wtf you are talking about.
who cares about gay marriage? trumps economic plan just unified every side of American politics in horror over his disastrous plan.
he's a f***ing clown!!!!
no it's not. she didn't change her core belief. she went from supporting their rights to still supporting their rights. she just changed what name she thought that right should go by.
trump went from all for universal health care to thinking it violates the Constitution. if you think Hilary flip flops more you are outright lying to yourself.
She at one time did not support gay marriage to then supporting it. That is a flip flop, the very definition.
because going from supporting gay rights to supporting gay rights is such a massive flip flop. you really are entrenched in your hatred of Democrats that you will just accuse them of anything.
Look who is talking. The person who tried to say that Hillary Clinton's flip flop was not a flip flop. Lmao
I doubt there are very many things trump has said that are honest. but since I have shown dalton dozens of total lies by trump and he still keeps praising Trump's honesty, it is a completely lost cause trying to get Republicans to look at their own shortcomings.
no dalton, history bluff is right. its better to have someone who lies at every turn for greed than to have someone who is blatantly honest.
In every way, Trump is better than Hillary. Can you prove me wrong?
there is absolutely nothing about trump that is better. he is worse in every way that I can tell.