Trump isn't Racist Sexist Xenophobic Islamaphobic or Homophobic

October 22, 2016, 4:33 pm

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The debate "Trump isn't Racist Sexist Xenophobic Islamaphobic or Homophobic" was started by Yanksxx21 on October 22, 2016, 4:33 pm. 20 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 28 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Yanksxx21 posted 41 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 1 argument, Yanksxx21 posted 11 arguments, Nemiroff posted 22 arguments, PsychDave posted 7 arguments, neveralone posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

sabrina, Bodaciouslady16, Yanksxx21, Thejw, allyssa, Your_dad, RedWolf and 13 visitors agree.
historybuff, thereal, Blue_ray, PsychDave, jack_tim_45, danielle, Tobibroek, Deepansh, CrazePhil, Nemiroff, Sumerian and 17 visitors disagree.

except he said it in a "politically correct" way

2 years, 8 months ago

cause right now they can leave if there is no work. we are prosecuting any employers who are harboring theme, except the right doesn't want the government to in any way even look at business, is rather difficult.

and upon any contact with fededal law enforcement. they are deported. just cause their illegal.

what you are voting for, is literally a secret police to hunt down Mexicans and other illegals Nazi style. door to door.

2 years, 8 months ago

isn't that the current approach?
so your happy with things as is?

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Go after the business if they get caught.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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and if they find a job?

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Self deportation. If they cant find a job, they will have to leave the country.

2 years, 8 months ago

Agreed :) both of us made good and strong claims some not so much..
I look forward to future debates :D

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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it sounded sincere :)
I'm sorry for replying as strongly but I wanted to stress the good debate we had in hopes of having more good ones in the future.

2 years, 8 months ago

That is sincere

2 years, 8 months ago

I agree I came off last message too strong and apologize, I'm very strong on what I believe and passionate. You also had good claims although I disagree with most I enjoyed the debate between us.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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what argument fall?
cause I went on a slight tangent to find a point of agreement between us? don't worry I planned to get back, and in fact did, to the righteousness of their actions.

I was really enjoying having a few sensible back and forths with you considering how obnoxious you sounded when you first came here, was even gonna go give you an agree on the your awesome thread, but now your just back to being a jackass.

so, very sorry for trying to find common ground between us, shall we go back to you saying "never break laws" while ignoring our very proud history of doing that during the Civil rights movements as well as our founders during the revolution?

2 years, 8 months ago

Disagree, the laws are not bad its just in the matter of how efficient and productive they are executed. All that Illegals have exposed is how they are completely willing to break the laws, and how they should not be thanked for causing issues in our country.

2 years, 8 months ago

I agree that my Party has lacked in this area, and that is why Donald Trump is entirely different and a breath of fresh air as he pushed for Immigration Reform. This is glorious to watch a pathetic argument fall, and instead of a defend it, just pivot to something elsd.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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i disagree. our nation has a rich history of breaking bad laws. from the civil disobedience of the civil rights movement, to the not so civil disobedience of our founding fathers.

without this illegal immigration problem, these broken immigration laws would have remained unnoticed. thank you illegals for pointing out these bad laws.

2 years, 8 months ago

Our laws separate us from the third world countries they are emigrating from.

2 years, 8 months ago

Your entire argument is what you feel is right, with complete disregard for the laws and are obviously oblivious to the fact that we are a country.

2 years, 8 months ago

Again you can fault them as that was their choice, you seem to be unaware of this. We didn't force them to do anything.

2 years, 8 months ago

and why are Republicans constantly blocking any form of immigration reform?

what we do with illegals here has nothing to do with reforming the immigration system going forward. democrats have been pushing for this for a while, but Republicans consistently block it.

putting the case of illegals aside, why do your elected officials refuse to fix a problem we all agree is broken?

2 years, 8 months ago

Agreed we need Immigration Reform however Illegal Immigration is unacceptable.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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well if you know the system is broken for legal immigration then you can't fault the 3rd world poorest from not having a choice in coming the only way they can.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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the nonrefundable part is the worst. even if you save up and entire years worth of salary, without a lawyer (even more expensive and out of reach) your application has a high chance of being lost or denied because of a beaurocratic mistake. (theirs or even the governments) either way, money gone.

2 years, 8 months ago

I never said their wasn't anything wrong and nothing to refotm with how the system works for Legal Immigrants.

2 years, 8 months ago

I was referring towards their choice of coming Illegally, and as I'll say again, I agree and so does Trump that the system needs to be redone and benefit those who come here legally.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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if the fee is higher than your annual salary, and it might be for nothing....

that isn't a choice yank.

2 years, 8 months ago

The Illegal immigrants had all the choice in the world to either attempt to do it right, or do it wrong. They chose to break the law and should be punished for it. I do however agree that the system that is in place is not efficient, and takes far too long for those who do it right to become a citizen. Trump exemplifies how we need to fix the system and benefit those who followed and accepted the laws, not to those whom had willingly broken out laws.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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there are some who did save to come here, we are talking about the 3rd world. a nonrefundable multi thousand $ fee is beyond the saving capacity of 3rd world poor. especially the nonrefundable part. those who can save are the 3rd world middle class, also struggling, but a completely different level of poor.

I agree, America should be the place where anyone can make it, but unfortunately we have less social mobility than most western nations including most of Europe and canada. the American dream is little more than a lie currently.

actually taking a criminal off the streets is of great public benefit. the cost of police and the price of damages criminals can do is much higher than the cost of incarceration in cases of violent crime. so the benefits of incarceration criminals is much higher and compared to a massive new police force and facilities to detain millions of detainees, the cost of incarceration is much lower.

you are also comparing violent criminals to economic migrants.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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we should lower the amount.

that's generalizing them I know some who came here at great risk by saving the little that they had.

because America should be a place where anyone can break down economic barriers and be how ever rich they want to be with there own 2 hands.

it's not only about what benefits us. in court when a guy gets sentence guilty we don't benefit besides getting him off the streets. also I know many who will push u out of ur job because ur white and these people really need the money but the illegals push them out

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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it's our fault for making it so that only those with money can immigrate here. the illegals HAD NO LEGAL OPTION to come here.

what about those who did come legally? well they were already much better off before even coming here, and they had the joy of not living in abject poverty making under minimum wage and in fear of the police even if abused at their illegal jobs or victimized by criminals, for decades.

those who respected our naturalization process have been living here under the full protection of the law and enjoying all the benefits of this nation, instead of living in some 3rd world undereconomy within our great nation.

you are still failing to address the inhumanity and fiscal stupidity of detaining and deporting these people with 0 practical benefit to us.

2 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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I like this idea. Let's make hiring undocumented workers to cut costs a disqualifier for public office.

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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What about those who respect our naturalization process.

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Self deportation. Punish business for hiring them.

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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Naturalization is entirely different than firearms. The guidelines are not explicit in the Constitution, only the minimum requirements.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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everything psych said
+ it would cost a ton.

what was the benefit again? justice? something seems wrong there.

2 years, 8 months ago

Yanks, you are proposing a tyrannical law of mass incarceration, detention and deportation. It would rip families apart, it would destroy the economy and would require militarized secret police to hunt down the illegal immigrants.

2 years, 8 months ago

it's very different. there is nothing for someone in the white house besides 5 minutes of fame or a nefarious deed. however across that border lies land to live on which has long preached a promise to those seeking a better life.

now you say "come in legally" but in the last decades "legally" has become increasingly impossible for the ones who need it most. so they come the way they know how.

you cannot ask someone to do the impossible.

2 years, 8 months ago

You wouldn't congratulate someone for jumping over the White house fance, and sprinting towards it. Why is it any different here..

2 years, 8 months ago

Our founding father broke away from a Tyrannical State that they were forced into, one that Illegals are not. Second, they are the laws and we are not go ing to give them a free pass and congratulate them on breaking the law.

2 years, 8 months ago

No they wouldn't be happy and they have a right as they are Americans

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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1. founding fathers also broke bad laws.

2. "fixing" the situation by deporting them and asking to come back in legally will cost a ton, trample on humanity, and give us no benefit aside from ideological bragging

2 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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So if the law changed and banned personal firearms, you would expect Americans everywhere to happily hand them over?

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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But they willingly broke the law

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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Mexicans living near the border used to cross over to work. then the law changed to make crossings more difficult and time consuming, so the Mexican workers stayed with their jobs on this side of the border. instead of keeping people out, the policy kept them in lol.

2 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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So make a legal path for them so they can start paying into those systems. They have been here for years and haven't caused problems or been arrested (since then they would have been deported). By giving them the security, we would get more tax money and thus everyone wins.

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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What laws

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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migrants crossing the border in no way diminishes sovereignty.

there are only drawbacks to keeping it illegal. a lot of the illegals were caused by changing laws.

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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We wouldnt cripple the economy. And our sovereignty is of equal importance to our economic benefit. Nonetheless, there are drawbacks to illegal immigration. It is highly likely they are uninsured, and if they go to the hospital, we pick up the bill. These effects are rather universal for services they need/take.

2 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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So why would we cripple the economy and create a massive police force to pursue, imprison and deport them rather than changing the law to something that would benefit the economy, be more humanitarian and benefit everyone?

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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The clause was written for those under the sole jurisdiction of US law if you look back into it. Indian tribes weren't to be U.S. citizens.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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and what of the founding fathers that broke the rule of law of their sovereign nation? criminals? should they have been jailed instead of celebrated?

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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what purpose could a specifically stated rule that anyone born on the land of America is a citizen possibly be for if not to anchor migrants to the nation? people born to citizens were already citizens from other statuettes.

2 years, 8 months ago

Yeah I'm aware Psych, and?

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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I don't want to live in a nation that submits to lawbreakers who have no regard for our customs. What is wrong with the current laws?

2 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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You are aware that laws cam be changed to better reflect society and what benefits the nation, right?

2 years, 8 months ago

Whats going to stop other laws for being broken?

2 years, 8 months ago

That's their fault for coming on Illegally. I don't doubt that they would assist the economy, however we are country of laws that must be followed.

2 years, 8 months ago
RogueAmerican
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I told you. It is wonderful for the economy. But i am a proponent of a rule of law that is truly enforced.

2 years, 8 months ago

We should punish those that breaks the laws, not congratulate them. Now making it a normalization that it's okay to break the laws.

2 years, 8 months ago
Yanksxx21
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That's completely inaccurate and is not a myth, you're right that Illegal aliens are not legally entitled to benefits. However they still however receive these benefits such as that of food stamps, housing, and tax credits. Now this is due to the abuse of the fourteenth amendment, that whoever is born in America is granted Citizenship. This was not intended to be used for people to anchor themselves in the country through children. Now the Govt. doesn't want to separate these Illegal families, so now that they have abused the law their children are now "Citizens" and they have access to benefits.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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they hire illegals because they cannot work legally and thus greedy employers can force them to work in abuse conditions. it's not just the wages that are the issue, these immigrants work in practice sweat shops without safety standards and are sometimes even robbed of their pay. what are they supposed to do? go to the police?

if they were legalized, the employers would not be able to underpay them.

you also ignored the creation of jobs from increased demands from a growing population.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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illegal immigrants are not subject to government benefits. they have been here working for decades without any benefits.

2 years, 8 months ago

And that is by no means a myth. Why do they hire illegals if the price of labor isnt dropping. This is wonderful for an economy.

2 years, 8 months ago

Able bodied workers are great for an economy; that is until those able bodied workers become a tax burden or as we have now, a healthcare burden.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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choice 2 then, well I gave my reply to that already.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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if your going to say "they are willing to work below minimum wage"

they don't have a choice. they are forbidden from working legally, and those are the conditions they are offered. legalizing them will subject them to the minimum wage and eliminate that issue

if your going to say "more low wage workers means more competition for low wage jobs"

then your repeating a silly myth that stems from typical right wing over simplification. ABLE BODIED WORKERS ARE NOT BAD FOR AN ECONOMY. they don't just take jobs, they need to eat, they need houses. more construction, more stores, more clerks, more jobs. PEOPLE = DEMAND = MORE JOBS.

2 years, 8 months ago

An illegal or legal can substitute for a native construction in such large numbers. That is drives down wages and the amount of jobs.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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how are they pressuring wages down?

2 years, 8 months ago

Again going off statistics that the left is so quick to ignore of it goes against their agenda.

2 years, 8 months ago

It's stupid to allow them to stay also economically. They are pressuring and forcing the wages down.

2 years, 8 months ago

and back to the topic. saying that only some are good people while most are rapists and drug dealers is very much clearly racist.

Trump didn't say "they are criminals for breaking immigration laws" he named specific violent crimes that do not match reality.

2 years, 8 months ago

You see they broke away from Tyranny, we are not a tyrannical state .*yet*
You also fail to adresss that we are a country and not to be used and taken advantage of.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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you fail to understand that we HAD just laws, but then laws were CHANGED and became an impossible hurdle to the poor in developing nations. they did what they had to do.

and nothing you said addressed the fact that your deportation plan is fiscally stupid and morally abhorrent.

you also failed to acknowledge that the founding fathers are also criminals who broke the laws of a sovereign nation that had its own laws.

2 years, 8 months ago
PsychDave
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So are you saying that the founding fathers were criminals who should have been imprisoned? Because they also broke the laws of their time.

2 years, 8 months ago

That's a dumb argument in all honesty.

2 years, 8 months ago

They should not be celebrated for breaking just laws, if you dont have borders you also don't have a country.
So skip the border Illegally when ever you want and forget those that are entering correctly.

2 years, 8 months ago

I don't think it is really right per say but then again they also when they were outside America didn't have a voice. I find that they need one and that there are some laws need to break down

2 years, 8 months ago

No they did not do the right thing, they are the ones that put their families through this in the first place. We are a country of laws as of other country, others are not demonized for follwing their laws, So why are we?

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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deporting them en mass is both logistically nearly impossible and morally abhorrent. how much will it cost us to round up, detain, and transport all of these people?

I know you (yank) don't care about the migrants and the hardships you aren't even considering in your plan, but what about our costs in order to fulfill your fiscally and morally retarded demands in order to satisfy some ideological ideal that will only hurt us.

so no. not a good point. especially since they did the right thing by coming here illegally for them and their family inspite because of stupid and new (at the time) immigration laws. I don't believe in blaming them for that. if you feel like demonizing them for breaking an arbitrary and unjust laws, then I want to hear you say that the founding fathers are criminals who should have been imprisoned for their actions instead of celebrated. until you say that, you are nothing more than a hypocrite.

2 years, 8 months ago

Very easy solution

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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also a good point

2 years, 8 months ago

So you deport them and they can come back the right way.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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cause Noone wins from them staying illegal except scumbag employers who want to under pay a group that can't complain while screwing all workers and employers who follow the rules.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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so legal but not citizens? sounds like a good compromise.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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by making them legal you solve numerous issues and get numerous benefits.

#1 they no longer have to work under the table getti by paid below minimum wage and undercutting American workers which is a major complaint of the right.

#2 they will pay taxes on their income, but get no social benefits like social security or welfare which is a citizen's only safety net.

legal means the government knows about them, has a record of them, and they can legally work. they will not be in danger of deportation, and can cooperate with or turn to police. THERE IS NO MENTION OF GRANTING CITIZENSHIP IN MY PLAN.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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so u want them legal so they can better society and let them stay while they become legal if they are able to?

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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no, I was talking about illegal immigrants.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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OK so u meant legal immigrants. I would agree

2 years, 8 months ago

that's what the founding fathers were doing

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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yes, but we are talking about immigration and trump's racism. what does that have to do with this topic?

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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when I said 15 hours ago

"you want to punish them? FORBID THEM FROM EVER ATTAINING CITIZENSHIP. they will be here legally, not work for abusive wages while undercutting citizens, pay taxes, save our social security fund, and never receive a dime from it. let migrants eager to work come here and subsidize the benefits of the citizens."

I thought I was being abundantly clear, and when you say

"from what it seems to me u have been wanting illegal immigrants to get instant citizenship"

it makes me feel like I'm wasting my time as that is literally THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE. not only did you twist my words from no citizenship to yes, you even twisted never into immediately!!!! cmon buddy.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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when u are being unjustly oppressed by ur gov. u r not doing wrong by pushing back

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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I'm just trying to understand exactly what you want.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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you know who else were criminals for breaking the law? the founding fathers.

you say they are guilty for breaking stupid immigration laws? I cheer them on for it. risk taking pioneers, venturing out in search of a better life for them and their families, the epitome of American values. I salute them.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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seriously neveralone?

quote the line that hints that I want to give them citizenship.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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so we're in agreement

2 years, 8 months ago

Yes you should be allowed to come back and do it right, depending on the circumstances.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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by good I mean people who came here because they wanted a better life but for dif. reasons didn't do it the right way and made mistakes. criminals yes. should be able to come back in legally definitely. bad=terrorist,rapist,murder,ect. very broad idea

2 years, 8 months ago

They are in fact no "Good" Illegals Immigrants, as they had failed to even follow the laws to enter here, so they are all Criminals.

2 years, 8 months ago

So far I've only concluded from your argument is you are for to having open boarders, and disregarding laws of the nation.

2 years, 8 months ago

Sorry been busy, but giving citizenship for people that enter against the rules is dumb and wrong. You completely take away from those that have waited and have gone through the legal process.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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from what it seems to me u have been wanting illegal immigrants to get instant citizenship

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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I've repeatedly stated illegal immigrants will not become citizens. ever. where did you get that idea from?

and the good are not hard to define. able to support themselves. no crime. check, check, done.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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the good are a lot harder to define. I would let them undergo the right way about it and keep them somewhat under watch in America until they become citizens then I would welcome them properly.i keep asking u what u would tell the ones who did it the right way and either u don't understand or choose not to but I think this is just as important so please answer the question of "what do u say to the ones who do it legally or currently doing it legally when u just allow illegals to become citizens?"

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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forget the bad. if they are violent, deport them. I'm talking about the good.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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wrong. yes it makes u think they all have kids.depends if u believe that they all have kids or not.n o they can't but they can't be rewarded for doing wrong either.

it is not punishing them because they don't have kids it's because their illegal. I couldn't do that because again they have done wrong and need to be punished or how I would prefer be semi watched while filing for citizenship if their good people and punish the bad if their nation won't take them.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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your right, the left does usually only talk about the ones with kids. is that wrong? dishonest? the fact is those kids are there, and their parents represent a majority of that group, therefore they are a major factor that, morally speaking, cannot be ignored. agreed?

as for the rest, well we could make a policy specially for them, but punishing them for not having kids is wrong, personally speaking. if they obey the law and can support themselves, leave them be. like I said, they can subsidize our citizen benefits like social security.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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I am find with immigrants as long as there good. we need to be cautious but not too cautious where the good ones don't get to come in.
try to make them legal if there good if not it gets harder. there is no perfect solution. there will always be pain. what would u say to the one that are here or trying to get here legally? by Letting illegals stay ur hurting the system and the people who obey it (us) by sending them back ur separating families. if they have families that is. I always hear about these families from the left but I never hear about the ones without children. what would u do there.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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your property is not the sprawling, mostly uninhabited land of the United States. Nor does your property have any significant use to good people seeking a better life. your analogy is very different. your house is nothing like a nation of any kind.

so we agree on immigration reform, something that used to be a bipartisan issue that suddenly got "Tea Partied"

what about the ones living here. you don't want to separate families, so you don't want to deport them. what do you want to do?

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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no that's why I said we need to fix that.
again make it easier for the right people (not terrorist) to get in and not the bad.
I didn't say punish them but if u were on my property and I had a no trespassing sign then u r in the wrong. what I would do is take u outside my property and then u can request to come on my property and once I know ur not a bad guy then I'm fine with you.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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that's the thing. we made huge fees and legal costs be part of the entry, and how were residents of developing nations supposed to come here? what happened to "give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses"? f*** the poor, money or die. that's the new motto huh?

poor Mexicans and other central Americans have no option, it isn't about cutting in line, it's about doing the only thing they can for their families. they were not wrong.

you want to punish them? forbid them from ever attaining citizenship. they will be here legally, not work for abusive wages while undercutting citizens, pay taxes, save our social security fund, and never receive a dime from it. let migrants eager to work come here and subsidize the benefits of the citizens.

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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no I'm suggesting finding another solution. if all u had to do to get citizenship in America is just have a kid here why would u even bother going the legal way. and again it's unfair and unjust to the ones who get here legally what would u say to them? " oh u payed a butt load of money and spent years trying to get here. that's sad since now all u had to do was have a kid." no that wouldn't be right.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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we are talking about people who have lived here for decades and have children who were born here.

are you suggesting breaking up families?

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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I agree on entry but not making illegals legal. they came here illegally and that is not right or fair to give them legal status when others have been trying to do it the legal way

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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he is a racist. he claimed that most illegal migrants are rapists and drug dealers. your counter "proof" only showed that these migrants are VICTIMS of rape, not perpetrators, which does not help your case at all.

and no, smugglers are not migrants. migrants move to live. smugglers have to go back to get more goods. they are completely separate categories.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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no, it's not because of trump. the outflow has been going for years before trump. it's purely economic. the social mobility this nation was known for is dead. it isn't working for immigrants, it isn't working for citizens. if your born poor in this nation, your f***ed.

we have real problems in this nation, and this immigration crusade is a distraction. your scapegoating immigrants when the real problems have to do with the system and not people.

if you legitimize the migrants they won't work under the table for less and won't out compete citizens while laying taxes (and no benefits), if you make entry reasonable people won't risk life and rape to get to this nation if false dreams and promises.

2 years, 8 months ago

the fear ones I don't think he is but idk on the others

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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their probably doing that since they heard about Trump. by the way do u happen to know how many of them are illegal.i would be interested and think it would be the majority

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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they come through illegal means if they came through legally I wouldn't have a problem. its simply not fair for the ones who come here legally.let me guess ur going to say it's too hard to get in America that way. I have a solution take out the what's stupid to get in but still keep what's good. also if they dont get accepted they should get there money back.

2 years, 8 months ago

Let's not get off topic of why or why he isn't the terms above.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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technically more Mexicans are leaving the nation than coming at the moment. the whole illegal immigration debate is 5 years too late.

and if monsters are not the immigrants but the ones who smuggle them, why are only some of the immigrants good people are violent criminals?

and why are people that desperate to come here and work being kept out? are extra able bodied workers bad for the economy?

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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some went illegal. but though he might be wrong on that part a better protected border would definitely reduce that number

2 years, 8 months ago

Yes as I stated in my "rant", raped by Illegals and Coyotes..

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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wow

that's a study of illegal migrants BEING raped by smugglers. not illegal migrants doing the raping....

yeah these poor victims are such horrible people.... geez, that's a screwed up way of thinking buddy.

2 years, 8 months ago

Given you evidence after evidence, now give me a tangible counter argument to the discussion.

2 years, 8 months ago

http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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I think it means that 80% of rapes that happen near the border are from illegals.

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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80% of the women who cross the border are raped? that sounds ridiculous too... where are you getting your stats? and why does it feel your leaving out some context.

2 years, 8 months ago

How about you stop knick picking me without reading my arguments below, and explain to me how he is all of the names above.

2 years, 8 months ago

My bad 80% of women are raped from crossing the boarder...now if your going to ignore my "rants" with evidence down below so be it, so yes it's near the boarder.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5806972

2 years, 8 months ago
neveralone
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I think he said it was near the border and not just every rape

2 years, 8 months ago
Nemiroff
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"80% of young women get raped by Illegals."

that's a pretty bold stat, and it doesn't sound remotely accurate. especially since 52% of rapists are white...

http://www.sarsonline.org/resources-stats/reports-laws-statics

2 years, 8 months ago

Those are rants, those are facts that you obviously need.

2 years, 8 months ago

The definition of racism is
a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. If stating a problem that we are facing without any sign of racism other than we need stronger boarders is an issue, than you are a troubled man.

2 years, 8 months ago

Going to ignore facts, 80% of young women get raped by Illegals, that's a pretty bad stat. Now they are all criminals as they are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Do you understand what's that means, and we don't have any other country giving us the drugs in such a large volume.

2 years, 8 months ago

I used to think trump was just faking it, but I think he really is as racist and dumb as it was believed. I'm sorry, I'm not reading those rants down there. he never explicitly says "I hate xyz", what kind of moron would? well he actually came close.

"they are rapists, drug dealers, criminals, and SOME, I believe, are good people."

that is pretty f***ing racist. and there is maybe several ways to read the word "some", but none of them really sound anything like "majority".

so we are looking at somewhere in between 40% to 2% good illegal immigrants. that is not only factually incorrect. it is insanely racist.

how can they all be violent gang members AND stealing all your jobs at the same time? do the Mexicans working for $4 an hour look like violent gang members? which is it?

2 years, 8 months ago

Waiting for you to expand..

2 years, 8 months ago

So yes deals such as this effects the way of life, But its not that Foreigners are the reason for the downfall. Its the American Govt such as Obama and Clinton that allowed them to do it..

2 years, 8 months ago

Now the Google definition of Xenophobia is to have an "intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries." How are you able to make such an arrogant and stupid claim without the knowledge of what it means. Your right he does have an issue with Mexican Immigrants, they are Illegal Mexican Immigrants and they are not only the lives of Americans from the transport of Crime and Drugs, but also the source of the loss of jobs for Americans. What is the point of paying higher when you can just have Illegals do it for basically free..IF you don't have strong boarders you don't have a country. Trump's repeated this many times, and "Open Boarders" cause political, economic, and criminal issues that change the quality of American lives. Now allowing Undocumented Refugees into the country is a bomb waiting to go off, this will destroy the communities and economy with people that will contribute nothing to society. This is not our job to take the plight of the world, we are not the police for the world, but these Syrian refugees that we are accepting which will increase 500% under Clinton. Now you tell me that uneducated masses of people will benefit the country in anyway possible. The common argument I see for why we should allow them here is that they are torn families, however 72% of the refugees are of men of young age..Only 15% are children and even smaller 13% are women. Now what does this mean? It has the ability to become an entire invasion of American soil, and the real hate of these Foreigners will assist in the downfall of the nation as our economy crashes, and terrorism increases. Now you would be in idiot if honestly believe that our trade deals and agreements with countries not just China have affected the United States greatly. The economic growth of America over the past 8 years has slugged down to an AMAZING 1%, due to agreements specifically NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement).
It established that American Corporations could relocate into the Countries of Canada and Mexico and sell back into the USA. The point of trade is to make money not lose it, Mexico's average tariff rate for imported goods in 13.7%, America's answer is having duty free tariffs under NAFTA, Congrats. As Corporations moved so did our jobs and we lost nearly 700,000 jobs to Mexico in concentrated industrial states such as California and Michigan. It lead to Mexico having 7,000,000 workers dislocated into America forcing pressure of American wages.

2 years, 8 months ago
Yanksxx21
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http://www.menshealth.com/guy-wisdom/lets-talk-about-locker-room-talk
https://aloftyexistence.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/male-friendship-vs-female-friendship/

2 years, 8 months ago
Yanksxx21
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Now tackling one of the most and recent Controversial topics that the Donald has thus far, and my god is a stretch. Two men talking in complete private having no knowledge that they were listened to. This is just how men are wired, they are always thinking about sexual things since they are at a young age, and will use this area to bond and joke around with each other. Men bond differently than women do, they are more stable and are open to more things. Men joke around with each other through insulting verbal and will tease one and other. They will participate in telling dirty stories and will often curse at one and and this is "Locker Room" talk. Yet it does not legibility mean in a locker room people, the definition is any conversation retaining to a sexually explicit nature, that is notably quiet and in private. Mens Health had done a recent poll showing that 40% of men participate in Trumps style of "Locker Room Talk", while 60% don't. Now as its not the majority, that's however a large chunk of men that do, and I speak for every man and Trump that "I'm not proud of it". I don't think it is appropriate but it happens, and every man would be embarrassed if how they talk in private with their friends was exposed. Now he never openly said even in private that he likes sexually assaulting women, and please do point this out. But he stated and I quote, " And when you"re a star they will let you do it, you can do anything." This is simply not true and if it was a truth they wouldn't be laughing over it, exemplifying that they are joking coming back to my point on male relationships. Now the definition of sexism if were not aware is "Sexism means discrimination against people because of their sex: anything unfair to males or females, just because they're males or females." Now saying that he is sexist for saying you must be on your period is not sexism, but is a stereotype. Now even as it is that holds truth and if another woman said that would not be a big deal. Trump is very open about what he thinks and this is an example, but his anger was justified as she was attempting to bait and was ready to attack him

2 years, 8 months ago
Yanksxx21
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/race_poverty.jpg

2 years, 8 months ago
Yanksxx21
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Now making the claim that Trump is a racist, is not only arrogant, but substantiates the lack of effort and Capacity to fully research these Claims. Trump had never said that all Mexicans are racists, as the high point of this claim sits in the need of stronger boarders and how he is speaking of ILLEGAL immigrants coming over across the boarder. As much the left will fight that this claim is untrue, they often forget that 80% of young women crossing the boarder are victimized AND raped by Coyotes and Illegals. I feel as many do, that this is a very terrible and sad statistic, and is even more wrong to consider this on all Mexicans, which Trump has Simply not said even remotely, and is a very bigoted argument to use. If it having strong boarders to protect our Nation is so troubling to than I'm sorry, but I believe in the safety and security of our families and Children.

IF we look back at the case of Donald Trump alleged racism against Discriminating we can see the lawsuits at him FAILED, and he was not proven guilty of this. IF we look back at when then counter sued for the accusations he had won, so yes he was accused but they ultimately failed. I find it also almost amusing that we are ignoring the fact that he was not the only one that was accused of this, as was the LeFrak Organization, which was another firm that was forced into giving people apartments JUST because they were African American as many other were. As this was in a period of the Civil rights, I can see where we gain the supposed accusations that he didn't rent to them because they were African American. However in reality it was the the majority of African Americans living in NYC in the 60's was the second highest poverty rate it had ever been at 55%, and it just so happens that those who wanted an apartment from trump, were stricken by poverty. SO i'm sorry if your running a business your not going to rent to those who can't pay for it. Now for the accusations of his employees again as I said earlier, in court Trump was not found guilty so he was proven to be (drum roll) INNOCENT!

2 years, 8 months ago

Let's disect your first claim that he's a racist.

2 years, 8 months ago

I pulled this out of the other thread but i will expand

he is a racist for saying and doing racist things. all Mexican immigrants are rapists, not letting black people live in his buildings etc. - He got sued because his employees would lie to anyone who wasn't white and say they had no units available. When a white person asked on the same day they had their choice of units which miraculously appeared.

he's a sexist when he says and does sexist things. he dismissed a woman who questioned him by saying she must have been on her period. he admitted on tape that he enjoys sexually assaulting women. These ones are pretty self explanatory. Dismissing a woman who is doing there job by saying she is on her period is sexist, i don't see any way around that. He said on tape that he likes sexually assaulting women. that is a pretty shitty view of women in general.

he's xenophobic for trying to blame outsiders for America's problems. ie. Mexican immigrants, refugees, trade deals with China. it's not that America has problems it's foreigners causing problems. that is xenophobia.

2 years, 8 months ago

No you haven't given me Any evidence, now if you have please go over them and elaborate..

2 years, 8 months ago

so Trump's actions aren't enough? I gave examples of all of these and you just dismiss them and insult me. when facts are against just insult your opponent and claim victory. that's trump 101.

2 years, 8 months ago

How about someone brings some actual Intelligence and evidence
(buff)

2 years, 8 months ago
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