The debate "Trump JRs soliciting a foreign government to intervene in the US election is evidence of treason" was started by
July 11, 2017, 4:33 pm.
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historybuff and 11 visitors agree.
bigB, neveralone, I_talk2_Much, ThePhilosopher, Diogenes_of_Sinope, SirIntegra and 6 visitors disagree.
as with global warming, the right will simply change their story and get amnesia.
The WH said "no one would collude with a foreign entity"
Now it's "anyone would accept opposition research (including from foreign entities)"
Republicans have been saying for months that there is no evidence that the trump campaign collided with Russia. this is the proof.
3 high ranking members of the Trump team agreed to and attended a meeting with an agent of the Russian government. the email explicitly says the Russian government wants to support Trump getting elected. what further evidence is required for trumps supporters to accept the obvious.
from what I heard. it is illegal to collude with a foreign NATIONAL, government or not is unrelated.
It is also illegal to solicite information, regardless of if it's useful or not, or if it's even provided. the act of seeking it is illegal
however based on what I heard, illegal as it may be, it is only treason if we are in some state of war, which we are not.
If they had evidence of a crime they should go to authorities not presidential candidates, and definitely not their children. anything involving elections and foreigners is illegal.
I don't know much about this, and am hesitant on some of the information because it's fairly new. but here's what I have so far.
Foreign official contacts Trump Jr. about information.
One of trumps advisors sets up meeting.
Trump attends meeting, finds out they don't know the person.
The meeting consists of a brief introduction of useless information, transitions into adopting children?
Meeting concludes with nothing useful.
On one hand, this was from another country, possible government involvement. On the other, it was another government claiming they had evidence of a crime. Whether the intention was to blackmail the campaign or bring this evidence to light is not known either, and so I don't see a compelling case for subduing the democratic process.
However, contact with another government could pose an issue, had they wanted Russia to investigate further. again, I don't know the details, so if that's the case that would be treason. Otherwise, it might be wishful thinking.
oops i forgot to notice that it was Trump Jr and not Trump
according to legal experts, it's not technically treason because we are not in official war with Russia.
trump looks like a cute kid. i thought he was good but now hes doing some real bad things. he must have forgot about making america great again.
I hope he starts taking things seriously and learns some geography before attending the people and media.
Trump jr has now released an email chain in which he arranged to receive damaging information about Clinton from the Russian government. That is the definition of collusion with a foreign power.
his only defense is that he claims they didn't actually give him any. but the act of trying to obtain it is in itself treasonous.