The debate "Trump's election rigging rhetoric is extremely disturbing and dangerous" was started by
October 17, 2016, 12:04 pm.
17 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 14 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
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historybuff posted 6 arguments, Nemiroff posted 3 arguments, PsychDave posted 6 arguments, TheExistentialist posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
Alex posted 2 arguments, dalton7532 posted 6 arguments to the disagreers part.
historybuff, Nemiroff, ayaninan, PsychDave, TheExistentialist, adwoasarpong, CrazePhil and 10 visitors agree.
Alex, ComradeStalin, Blue_ray, Yanksxx21, dalton7532, Thejw and 8 visitors disagree.
there is a difference between describing a statement in a misleading way and editing the footage to make it misleading.
the media tend to spin publicly available footage to suit their message. he took footage and heavily altered it and no one can check for themselves what was actually said. all we have is his version because he won't let anyone see what actually was said.
I will take your arguments into account, as I feel the pain of the media blatantly misrepresenting and misleadingly editing BLM and Trump videos/statements.
The kind of editing that can be done.
Missed some autocorrect errors there.
The question could have been something along the lines of "What do you think the Republicans tell themselves about how they are getting votes this election?" We don't know. The implication being that they feel justified in this manipulation since Obama obviously supports the Democrats, and thus they feel the laws favors them.
It is entirely possible I am way off base, and it is also possible he was admitting to voter manipulation, but without that raw footage we have no context.
For a comparison, if someone took Trump saying "They are criminals, they are rapists." and edited a video so it seemed like he was answering the question "Who do you feel is your strongest supporters?" it would be misleading and entirely out of context. Now this would be impossible to do since we have raw footage of this quote, meaning we can prove he did not in fact say that about his supporters, but that is the kind of editing that cam be don't to damage someone.
without seeing the uncut footage we have no way of knowing what he was talking about. since he has admitted to heavily altering the footage then we cannot take anything in his footage at face value. if he wants to be taken seriously then he should release the uncut footage. but he can't do that because then people would see what a fraud he is.
I am going to sound like a hypocrite, but I agree he edited the footage in order to prove a point. He himself admitted that, and he cited that it would tell a different story.
However, I will go back to my original point. On camera, "We did the same exact thing. Only, we manipulated the vote with money and action, not with laws." he stated. How can a direct statement on camera be misleading?
I am referring to the video 2 "Mass Voter Fraud" at 2:42. The video may have alot of misleading points and arguments, but it is this one particular statement is a confession.
Now if he hadn't edited the footage to intentionally mislead people, why do you suppose he would refuse to release the raw footage?
my phone actually had a notification pop up quickly. usually it takes awhile for this app to send notifications.
Damn that was quick.
it wasn't raw footage. it was heavily edited footage. he has refused to release the raw footage.
It was raw footage of him stating that we rigged elections by money and action. It was him on tape saying that. I am honestly starting to doubt intellectual honesty here.
Was otherwise occupied, but buff summed it up nicely. When he releases the raw footage I will absolutely believe him. I suspect that will happen right after Trump releases his tax info.
he has been proven to fabricate evidence. he manipulates the videos to try to convince people of things that aren't true. that isn't my opinion, it is established fact.
why would anyone take his videos seriously? if his footage proved what he said it does then he would have no problem releasing the uncut footage to prove it. but he can't do that or it would prove what a liar he is.
also Donald Trump's campaign paid him 10,000 before he made these videos. it is an obvious smear campaign, which he has done before.
I honestly do not know how you can manipulate or twist someone on camera stating "We manipulated the vote by money amd action, not with laws" or more the less defend it.
Have you honestly watched these videos?
Not really. He has repeatedly lied and edited videos to mislead people about what was said. He has been sued and settled for essentially ruining someone's life who had done nothing wrong (I can expand on this if you'd like).
Someone with a history of lying to the public by tampering with hidden recordings is hardly a reliable source.
Look up James O'Keefe biography for a record of his lies and deceitful videos.
I would expect the narrative of this discussion to change after Project Veritas?
The problem is that Trump is talking about large scale voter fraud without any sort of evidence in order to rile up his base. He's looking for an excuse for his loss other than a bad campaign or a terrible candidacy. This puts into question the legitimacy of a Clinton win. This is a dangerous road to travel as we've already seen vocal supporters make claims of "revolutions" and even some proclaiming their intent to assassinate Clinton should she take office.
Regardless of whether Trump intends for his rhetoric to result in these emotional outcries is sort of irrelevant. He ought to be aware of the scale of his influence (especially since he keeps talking about how great his influence is, how large his crowds are, and how violent they've gotten at past events). This makes Trump directly culpable for the consequences of his rhetoric.
The people who have studied voter fraud could not find any evidence that could even come close to being considered "wide spread" or a single instance where voter fraud could even have affected an election. It simply doesn't happen.
I'm curious. Do Trump supporters honestly believe that he wouldn't rig the election given the opportunity?
He has already demonstrated that he doesn't mind stepping on people to get whatever he wants, and has repeatedly advocated breaking American and international laws (encouraging Russian hacking and advocating war crimes)
the dnc did not stuff ballot boxes, commit voter fraud, or discourage voters on election day. those would be criminal. besides that, the dnc, once again, is a private organization and the primaries are a private process. same with the rnc.
Sanders was also not a democrat, and did not endorse or fund raise for down ballot candidates. he was not being a team player, and despite my support of his policies, I criticized him for that at the time as well.
1. DNC did nothing wrong, although it was a bit dickish
2. the general election is not a private process and the DNC has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. the states handle the elections individually and 2/3rds of them have Republican governors.
the DNC did everything they could to make it HRC the nominee. call it rigging or not, it's not right
can you provide evidence of trump saying anything contrary to him supporting america?
1. the primary is a private process, not a public one. the dnc has no control over the general election.
2. the dnc hindered his campaign, they didn't rig the actual voting.
3. Trump said he'd support the winner months ago. since then he changed his tune completely. he is completely unhinged now.
Trump has said that if hillary wins, he will still support america. he isn't going to revolt or anything dangerous.
when there is proof Hillary and the DNC rigged the primary against bernie, why shouldn't we believe She is doing the same thing against trump?
Idk if this election is rigged enough to make a difference, but the system is definitely brocken.
what makes this even more ridiculous is his poll meltdown where even members of his own party are dropping out. how he can justify the idea that his loss can only be explained by a rigging is beyond me. although trump supporters have already proven that they'll believe anything that will support their preset view.
trump is telling all if his followers that the election is rigged, but only if he loses. these claims, for which he has absolutely no evidence are extremely dangerous.
when Hilary wins, and every poll says she will. Trump's followers are going to go nuts. trump is endangering the public good and threatening democracy by refusing to accept the will of the people.