The debate "Trump spent years telling everyone Obama wasn't born in America. he now tells everyone it was a lie" was started by
September 16, 2016, 1:40 pm.
16 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 6 people are on the disagree side.
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historybuff posted 5 arguments, PsychDave posted 7 arguments to the agreers part.
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historybuff, wmd, PsychDave, Blue_ray, Najam1, Nemiroff, thereal, famouslorie, R3HAB and 7 visitors agree.
sojak, fadi and 4 visitors disagree.
The "change" rallies I feel have always been emotional. They come and go with every election against the ones in office. I mean she's a progressive, and this cycle is pivotal given the Supreme Court is the way it is. Beyond losing this all we have is Article 5.
What roots do you feel she disagrees with?
I know it is off topic but one of the main complaints people seem to have about her is that she is more of the same and they want a change.
No, but her rhetoric has drifted towards it lately. She is a progressive, and one who disagrees with the Conservative roots of the nation.
Do you feel Clinton borders on socialism?
If he/she not a complete liberal bordering on socialism.
That doesn't answer the question. Is there a Democratic candidate you would support over Trump?
I know what I'm getting out of Obama. Trump himself is a liberal in issues. But he isnt as far left as Obama
So essentially you would rather Trump over any democratic candidate?
So if it were Trump vs Obama, who would you support?
I only wish to say he is the lesser of two evils, and with that, I am content.
Again, you aren't saying he will be a good leader. You aren't even denying he would be a terrible leader. You are deflecting to Hilary.
Over Hillary, yes.
Encouraging cyber attacks? Like anybody needs encouragement to do so. Everybody in the public eye is targetted. It was a joke: that if we cant find them, maybe the Russians can because the Russians are digging. other stuff up
So you are OK with a leader who has repeatedly settle lawsuits about his racism, has demonstratably lied to the public, and has repeatedly shown that he has no problem inciting violence and encouraging cyber attacks against the US?
He is fine to lead. He's just a wee bit of a turd haha.
So you aren't denying that he is unfit to lead?
No. The reason is your accusations have no basis for a philosophical debates. Was Trump kind during the primaries? The majority of people would say no. The issue is I dont care about those things im comparison to Hillary Clinton.
"we've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with" -transcript from the Department of State.
Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
Andrews Air Force Base
first of all that isn't true. Secondly you are deflecting.
every time you are presented with how terrible a human being trump is, you say "yeah but Hilary". stop that. trump is a terrible person. he is completely unfit to lead. saying "but Hilary said this" doesn't change that fact.
And when Hillary said that the ambassador in Libya was killed over a video?
so the fact that he was a lying scum bag 5 years ago has no bearing on him now? is he a completely different person?
if not, then his scum baggery then is directly relevant to his fitness to be President now.
And thrse allegations are rooted since before his presidency. They go back to the Democratic primaries. He just picked up on a rumor.
Yeah because there is no contention that he didnt get through the primaries by being a good guy. You're next statement is overzealous, but obviously Trumps a jerk.
and you didn't deny that he is a douche. you didn't deny that what he said and did wasn't a complete lie to the entire American people to try to slander a public official.
this wasn't a presumptive statement. this was a full-blown attack on the President of the US with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. if he is willing to attack the leader of the free world for absolutely no reason, why is he qualified to be in charge of intelligence agencies and the military? he has already proven he will say anything to hurt people he sees as his enemies.
Do you want Hillary to have them? Has Hillary made an exemplary case of honesty? He was presumptive. He didn't win the nomination by saying that at all, thr issue was over by then. Anyway, I would like to see one politician that hasnt made a presumptive statement before
the man who wants to be President lied. he tried to convince the entire country of it despite having no evidence whatsoever. he demanded a citizen turn over private information because of a rumor.
and you want to give control of intelligence agencies to this man.
Because i dont really care about it at this point.
Trump spent years peddling a rediculous conspiracy theory to try to undermine his opponents. he now admits this publicly. I'd like to hear from his supporters of why this doesn't mean he is a giant douche, because it clearly makes him a giant douche.