Trump went to Afghanistan to have a thanks giving dinner with Troops. Nice man

December 5, 2019, 6:21 pm

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The debate "Trump went to Afghanistan to have a thanks giving dinner with Troops. Nice man" was started by marky on December 5, 2019, 6:21 pm. 16 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 7 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

marky posted 15 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.

marky, jrardin12 and 14 visitors agree.
Nemiroff, historybuff and 5 visitors disagree.

marky
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I don't know, depends if it's affecting our lives or not.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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"the only major policy i agree with is his approach to China... except it would be a very short dispute if we were unified with the rest of the 1st world who are all also concerned about their ip theft... instead trump went unilateral while also starting trade wars with everyone else isolating us instead of China. not a good plan."

Actually When the trade war happened. China sent the U.S I believe it was about 2.5 billion dollars when it first happened. Yes he also has Tariffs on other countries. I don't know about them, but China, did send large amounts of money to the U.S three to four times, maybe it was twice. I don't know, this is a subjective stance if you think they're is a better way to handle it.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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"his tax cuts certainly boosted stock markets, something that most people cannot afford to own any significant amount in. and his tax cuts lead to no direct employment boost, just the same steady improvement we've seen since the recession ended under obama. his policy improved stock portfolios, but no real economic advancement. just continuing Obama's trends while slowing them down."

The economy boosted yes, which did lead to an employment boost. If your we're to say it was the same thing under Obama, except a lot of companies suffered under Obama. Portfolio is only training in your beliefs and skills. That's pretty much it. On top of that, Economy hasn't boosted until Obama went out of office. Only now does the Economy gets a boost. People are doing so much better under Trump then Obama.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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"if you google any graph across 20 years of unemployment trends in all sectors, amongst women, amongst african Americans, etc, you will see that all of these trends have been improving since 2008 (well before trump) and are actually starting to slow down under trump."

Well actually under Obama, job rates we're increasing. Slowly, as slow as a snail. As for Trump, they got jobs a lot faster. Yes Job rates that we're i creasing began to slow down, but that is part of the process. Some crap starts fast to slow or slow to fast.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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was not saying you should have my permission. I was saying it doesn't bother me.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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"i don't hate Trump. he's charismatic and funny. he makes for a great tv personality. what i hate is the idea of him being a) my leader or b) my representative. as funny as he is, he's kinda a scumbag. have you heard about his attempt to use eminent domain to take an old ladies house to build a private, for-profit parking lot? (eminent domain is meant for public projects like roads or airports)'

No, I have never heard of that. I don't know if that's even true. So if it was an attempt then shame on him. Although, if it would take place in a neighborhood, that wouldn't really workout anyway.

1 month, 1 week ago

"as for trump "i prefer heroes who weren't captured." he meant that to attack a specific POW, but he referenced all POWs in that line. still, even if you don't like someone, to attack them for what they went through in defense of our nation is despicable. especially since he dodged the war himself."

Now understand this, this is him by any means mocked POW. It was not by any means an attack. He did not mean it to be an attack. If that's all he said, as far as opinions go then i guess he's not allowed to have one on POW. He rather have heroes who weren't captured, what's wrong with that? It wasn't supposed to be insensitive. cool your jets I that subject.

1 month, 1 week ago

"you give full responses with reasons that i can interact with. i dont think ive ever mocked you."

Well its more so me kinda committing myself to a point and my thoughts that should make the most sense once I finally come up with one. Its supposed to be a debate form. Whatever he said, i have seen them. Are only short. He might only prefer it short and sweet.

1 month, 1 week ago

"i dont assume everybody i meet is tds, sheep, or smart or anything, that judgement is something i make as i interact with somebody. i did not think jrardin is tds sheep, honestly considering his overly simple, single sentence replies, and complete ignorance of the constitution while misquoting it with confidence makes him either a bot or a troll... and he isnt funny or agressive enough to be a troll. i dont think he is at all honest in his statements."

What was your vary first comment then? Yes you never said it, but it can mean what you thought at the begging. Now I don't think it was wrong to think that. As Jrardin, i don't know, he seems to appreciate the guy which is not a problem. Now, it's only on first thought, i know you never called me it but it's first impression. We all come up with thoughts the first time we see a thread. Even kinda go overboard with it.

1 month, 1 week ago

what do you think about his demand that the feds drop interest rates below zero and devalue the American dollar?

1 month, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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his rate of job growth is similar to obamas, about 180k a month +/-, probably less.

if you google any graph across 20 years of unemployment trends in all sectors, amongst women, amongst african Americans, etc, you will see that all of these trends have been improving since 2008 (well before trump) and are actually starting to slow down under trump.

his tax cuts certainly boosted stock markets, something that most people cannot afford to own any significant amount in. and his tax cuts lead to no direct employment boost, just the same steady improvement we've seen since the recession ended under obama. his policy improved stock portfolios, but no real economic advancement. just continuing Obama's trends while slowing them down.

the only major policy i agree with is his approach to China... except it would be a very short dispute if we were unified with the rest of the 1st world who are all also concerned about their ip theft... instead trump went unilateral while also starting trade wars with everyone else isolating us instead of China. not a good plan.

1 month, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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i wasnt asking permission, just explaining my reasoning.

1 month, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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i dont assume everybody i meet is tds, sheep, or smart or anything, that judgement is something i make as i interact with somebody. i did not think jrardin is tds sheep, honestly considering his overly simple, single sentence replies, and complete ignorance of the constitution while misquoting it with confidence makes him either a bot or a troll... and he isnt funny or agressive enough to be a troll. i dont think he is at all honest in his statements.

you give full responses with reasons that i can interact with. i dont think ive ever mocked you.

as for trump "i prefer heros who werent captured." he meant that to attack a specific POW, but he referenced all POWs in that line. still, even if you dont like someone, to attack them for what they went through in defense of our nation is despicable. especially since he dodged the war himself.

i dont hate trump. hes charismatic and funny. he makes for a great tv personality. what i hate is the idea of him being a) my leader or b) my representative. as funny as he is, hes kinda a scumbag. have you heard about his attempt to use emminent domain to take an old ladies house to build a private, for profit parking lot? (eminnent domain is meant for public projects like roads or airports).

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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Fine then click disagree, i don't mind if you did. I Don't believe he's just self-serving.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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Ok, what failers? What has been failing what procedure? Is it the economy Boost?

almost 4 million jobs created since elections.

African Unemployment rate down

Woman Unemployment rate down.

400,000(that is probably a stretch) jobs which was created and Growing fast.

Median Household Income hit one of the highest points on record
ages 45 through 65 (75,289)
ages 25 to 44 (68,817)
ages under 25(33,389) during 2017 through 2018.

1 month, 1 week ago
marky
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Wow now, Dude you think this guy. "Mocks" POW? Well you think he's that bad? what did he say that would constitute as a mock? Also, I don't think Bush was all nice. I thought Nixon was nice. I know, I know. Nixon really? I thought he was a good president. For what its worth, I hated Trump from the start of his run.

actually, It isn't to surprising. Its kinda just mellow Praising.


Actually dude you probably did think i was a TDS sheep first. I don't think its wrong to be a big supporter of Trump. I think it's more so that people paint a bad picture about him. Anything he does is always somehow bad. Him bragging is not bad. August 30th was it. I was looking for more in the Nov cause that's when it happened. Did he brag then.

1 month, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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isnt about trump*

1 month, 2 weeks ago

im going to go ahead and click disagree, not because i dont think he went to Afghanistan, but because i dont think that qualifies him to be a nice guy. he may or may not be a nice guy, but him doing what to me seems like a self serving photo op means nothing.

this about trump, i think all presidential troop visits are expected, uncontroversial, and mostly a duty rather then a choice, even if they do honestly support our troops. this symbolic action is of no consequence, an easy choice, and does not deserve praise. its a no brainer.

1 month, 2 weeks ago

im sure trump has done alot of good things that are completely uncontroversial and obvious. pro veterans bills. pro 9/11 bill. visiting troops. these things are standard practice and deserve only passing mention, zero praise. the only time they should be mentioned is if they arent done.

regarding actual accomplishments, his administration has been a series of failures except for the wall, which is a bad success according to most experts on the subject.

1 month, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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1. i doubt all previous presidents were nice. george bush senior looks quite uptight and i doubt nixon is "nice". im not familiar with many presidents before bush senior. nice is not a qualification for the job. i doubt trump is nice with mocking POWs and anyone who ever criticizes him.

2. cant find that thread but im curious how that convo went.

3. i dont think i have accused you of TDS as i have with jrardin. he looks like a total sheep. with you, we are capable of having a normal conversation based on an agreed reality. we disagree, but thats ok. thats why we are here. bragging about doing good makes it more about you then the deed, or in this case, the troops. it seems like he is trying to score brownie points with the voters rather then doing what is right.

4. thats fine if you dont know but its a common thing, but all you need to do is google "(fill in president name) visits troops" and you will see tons of results, including suprise visits.

5. on the days of august 29 and 30 trump sent 4 tweets regarding his visit to the troops. trump constantly brags about the most minor of accomplishment on repeat like some sort of hynosis. unfortunately it works.

1 month, 2 weeks ago
marky
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well first off they are nice men as well. Second off, yes actually there is one we're a thread praises Obama for visiting Afghanistan. Third of all, it's not like i am worshiping the man. Its not treated as a accomplishment. So what if Trump brags about what he does. Does it really matter what he brags about?

Now this is of other presidents visiting troops was a common thing. That i didn't know.

and it's not me bragging about it either. owe and does he actually brag about being in Afghanistan?

1 month, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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by doing something any and every president (including nixon) has done? even Obama did the same thing, faux news called it a photo op, not something worthy of praise.

to me this seems about as nice as a door man holding the door. its what hes supposed to do.

can you find any thread made during the obama years praising Obama for visiting the troops? this isnt something worth mentioning, and bragging about it (as he always does on twitter) makes it all about him and not the troops.

1 month, 2 weeks ago
marky
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also just to clear this up no, he didn't go bragging about it and i never read any articles saying another president visited Afghanistan just for thanks giving for there troops.

1 month, 2 weeks ago
marky
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it's not an accomplishment. Its more so of the fact that people tend to paint a bad picture on the man. So in this case it's not an argument on what he accomplished its an argument on the fact that he's not as bad as people say he is.

1 month, 2 weeks ago

for a supporter of trump, you have a low bar for accomplishments. every president visited the troops repeatedly.... almost noone tried bragging about it every time. SAD!

Its certainly a nice action, but if thats on your list of accomplishments... thats weak.

1 month, 2 weeks ago
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