The debate "Trump will win reelection" was started by
November 22, 2019, 8:29 am.
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Winning by a landslide means you get way more votes than your opponent. Trump didn't get more votes than hilary. She got millions more votes than he did. His popularity has never cracked 50%. There is no chance he will win in a landslide. He may win, but the votes will likely be pretty tight.
He will still win. And by the landslide one always is talking about the Electoral college. However, Trump has a good chance of winning the popular vote this time as well
His approval rating has never cracked 50%. There is no chance of a "landslide". He may win the electoral college. He may get more votes than his opponent. But like 40% of the country likes him. 40% of the country hates his guts. There is not way he can get a landslide.
Independents are going to Trump and his approval among Blacks is growing.
Why would you think that? He lost the popular vote in 2016 and he probably will again. He might win the electoral college though.
Trump is still going to win and by the looks of it, it will be a landslide.
usually its the cult memebers that give 1 sentence replies to dismiss all facts.
I can say the left is brainwashed.
That is entirely possible. The democratic establish will do anything they can to prevent a good candidate from winning. If they succeed they are likely handing the election to trump.
Also, trump supporters are pretty much entirely brainwashed. They don't care how many crimes he commits, how many norms he breaks, how much corruption he is engaged in, how many promises he breaks. They will follow that lemming to very end, right off the cliff.
Trump is still going to win.p
And trump hasn't changed anything. No healthcare reform, a tax change that almost exclusively benefited the rich, trade wars that are destroying lives. Trump promised he would fix things but he hasn't. He has made most of them worse. If americans are offered another populist candidate that actually means the things he promises, I think people would take it.
And yes, a 90% tax is really high, way higher than what the current "extreme left" is advocating for. But that is part of america's history. The idea that the rich should get richer and the poor should get poorer is not what america used to be about. But that is what republicans and, to a large degree, democrats have been pushing for decades now. Bernie Sanders' ideas are not that different from alot of things that america used to have and america used to push for. It is just the last few decades of the rich assholes hijacking the political process to benefit themselves.
Trump is a symptom of that problem. People wanted an outsider to change things. Trump lied and said he would, then he hired all the same corporate sellouts that every other republican president would pick. A president Sanders would actually deliver the change which other promised but failed to even try to deliver.
90% tax is a lot of money.
The people did scream for a change and gave us Trump. And by the looks of it Trump will stay.
The top tax rate in america used to be 90%. It has been steadily falling for decades. Even if the most extreme tax plans being suggested were put in place, it wouldn't be further left than america has been historically. America used to be far more left than you seem to think.
The problem is that the democratic party stopped being a left leaning party a long time ago. They keep pretending like they are to get elected but then jump back to the right once they win. And it has been disastrous for them. Obama ran as a left leaning populist. But as soon as he won he ruled as a centrist, even right leaning in some areas, president. His big health care plan was created by a right wing think tank. He won because he promised the left, then immediately betrayed the people who voted for him.
America is screaming for change. If people wanted more of the same then Trump would never have won. Hilary would have dominated that election. The current system is broken and people want to change it. They don't all agree on the best way to do that. They thought trump would deliver that, but nothing has fundamentally changed under trump.
i think Sanders' populist message would seriously undermine Trump's fake populist message.
not socialism. and not the first time America went hard left.
But is America ready for Socialism?
I think it is highly dependent on who the dems pick as their nominee. if they pick a centrist idiot (biden, butigieg etc) then they will very likely lose in my opinion. A "back to normal" candidate can't beat Trump. Trump won because the status quo is broken. Campaigning that you want to go back to that is a losing strategy.
If they pick Sanders they have a real shot at winning. He is an outsider candidate that independents could actually support.
Warren, i'm not sure I see a path to her winning any more. While she would be a better candidate than most of the field, I don't think she can beat trump.
in what way would americans who see a broken system vote?
I don't have faith enough Americans who recognise the system is broken will actually vote