Truth is subjective

October 12, 2019, 12:27 am

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The debate "Truth is subjective" was started by Allirix on October 12, 2019, 12:27 am. 43 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 14 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

Allirix posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
TheExistentialist posted 1 argument, DanielCartagena posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

Allirix, Lind, historybuff, Tommyhj, dinosaurrawr, Agrumentman, YEET and 36 visitors agree.
TheExistentialist, DanielCartagena, K1VK2DF, Timflexz10, Grant65 and 9 visitors disagree.

To say that truth is subjective is itself a subjective assumption,

It's prove that we need truth in order to live, science, technology, enviroment, food, even our behavior is strongly marked by laws that do not depend on your feelings or your point of view, ex. if you feel that's ok to cross the street with your eyes closed it might feel good but the results most of the times would end on an accident,

Truth is whatever match with the Facts, and facts don't depend neither on you point of view

1 year, 3 months ago
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there are objective truths that we can convey through logic and mathematics though that are unchanging. The transitive property for example can be expressed as a=b; b=c; therefore a=c. We can also express in numerically: 5=2+3; 2+3=6-1; 5=6-1.

In formal logic we can also have truth tables that can convey truth statements. Looking at the transitive property again:

a=b/ b=c /a=c
T / T / T
T / F / F
F / T / F
F / F / F

We're essentially creating a table as to when a=c is true if given the terms a=b and b=c.

1 year, 3 months ago
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With your claim, that would only mean that our perception is subjective, but truth may still be objective. Truth would be the "ground truth" but it still may be objective. Your claim only deals with our perception.

Of course our perception is subjective, but I'm not gonna say "as much as I know anything, I know..." everytime I say something; it wouldn't be practical.

1 year, 3 months ago

My claim is this:
(1) There is a ground truth
(2) The information flow between us and the ground truth is vulnerable to corruption. ^
(3) The processing of that information to reach conclusions is vulnerable to corruption.*
(4) A collective conclusion represents the best approximation of a ground truth.
(5) That collective conclusion is a subjective truth as it is not necessarily true yet believed by people.

^The information we receive may not represent the ground truth. Things like noise, distortion, manipulation, incompleteness, etc. can corrupt it.
*Our ability to construct a model of the world, and use it to make conclusions is imperfect. Things like cognitive limitations, bias, limited working memory, heuristics, etc are limitations and shortcuts we commonly use that can create an error between what we believe and what really happened

1 year, 3 months ago
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