Uniformity of nature absolute morality and laws of logic come from Biblical Creation.

August 11, 2018, 2:15 pm

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The debate "Uniformity of nature absolute morality and laws of logic come from Biblical Creation." was started by Aaronr12 on August 11, 2018, 2:15 pm. 13 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 27 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Aaronr12 posted 13 arguments to the agreers part.
Nemiroff posted 7 arguments, SaffronSHAM3 posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

Aaronr12 and 12 visitors agree.
SilentArg, TheCommunist, WhiteCaller, SaffronSHAM3, MajorGeneralX, Nemiroff, Kim and 20 visitors disagree.

Mr. Aaronr12 your question makes no sense

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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idk, what is the point of this question?

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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If you have a wife how do I know she is your wife?

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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haha :)

I wouldnt claim to be able to predict the motion of people with anywhere near the same certainty as rocks and things.

although if she were to ever lose the ability or coordination to act consciously, her actions will probably get alot more predictable. if you were in a similar situation would you instantly run towards your loved one's aid? or just act surprised that they hurt themselves falling?

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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Do you have a wife?

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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I'm very confident the sun will rise tomorrow, the day after that, and every day for the next several billion years. nothing is perfect, but consistent uniformity with zero deviation is very strong evidence.

and once again, the reflecting is just the laws, not the environment.

and your claim to God, have you seen him with your own 2 eyes? or is this just second hand information taken on faith with no prior experience, just assumptions convincing you of its truth? as I said, nothing is perfect, but science is as close to certainty and objective information we as humans can get.

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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This is circular reasoning. I?ll grant that in the past there has been uniformity. But how do you know that in the future there will be uniformity, unless you already assumed that the future reflects the past (i.e., uniformity)? Whenever we use past experience as a basis for what is likely to happen in the future, we are assuming uniformity.
So when you say that you believe there will be uniformity in the future since there has been uniformity in the past, you are trying to justify uniformity by simply assuming uniformity ? a vicious circular argument.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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the laws, yes

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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So you believe it always has and so it always will?

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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I don't understand what answer your expecting. that's like asking why the earth would remain round...

it would need a reason to change, it would be expected to stay the same. the question is illogical

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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Again from your perspective, Why will gravity be the same in the future as it is today?

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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sorry, I thought my second question answered yours.

I dont see by what mechanism natural laws could possibly change without a conscious effort

1 month ago

Please answer my question. Then I can answer yours.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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if God willed it, could he not change it in the future?

if it was governed by basic natural laws, what would possibly cause it to change?

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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Why will gravity be the same in the future as it is today.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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I dont understand what you mean by reflect?

identical?
similar?
different but following the same path of progression?

I believe in the last one. the progression.

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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But why will the future reflect the past?

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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I dont believe in a static, unchanging universe.

stars are born, stars die. eventually most of the helium will burn off and no new stars will form. fuel is not everlasting.

it's not uniformity, but stability. the laws that govern the events are unchanging. the universe subject to those laws does.

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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So you don't believe in uniformity of nature.

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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I dont believe it will.
the front of an arrow doesnt look like the back. however the changes will likely be predictable and wont tend to change due to somethings will.

either God or nature can have a stable universe, but only a conscious God can make arbitrary changes.

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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Also why should there be uniformity of nature?

1 month ago
Aaronr12
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Let me ask this, ?Why will the
future reflect the past??

1 month ago
Nemiroff
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God stopped the sun, that's not orderly. that means God can override nature and do whatever he wants

one would expect unconscious natural forces to not randomly switch or stop working

if by creationist you mean God started the laws of nature billions of years ago, that's fine. noone can prove or disprove that.

but if your the young earth creationist, then you worship a trickster god who plants false evidence and seeks to deceive.

there is nothing wrong with believing God was the prime mover, but he moved via the methods discovered by science, including evolution. what is more perfect than a system that constantly improves itself?

1 month, 1 week ago
Aaronr12
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The biblical creationist expects there to be order in the universe because God
made all things (Gen. 1:1; John 1:3) and has imposed order on the universe. Since the Bible teaches that God upholds all things by His power (Heb. 1:3), the creationist expects that the universe would function in a logical, orderly, law-like fashion.11 Furthermore, God is consistent (1 Sam. 15:29; Num. 23:19) and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7?8). us, the creationist expects that all regions of the universe will obey the same laws, even in regions where the physical conditions are quite different. The entire field of astronomy depends upon this important biblical principle.

1 month, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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explain how evolution is contrary to science?

can we establish what the definition of science is?

1 month, 1 week ago
Aaronr12
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evolution is actually contrary to the principles of science. at is, if evolution were true, the concept of science would not make sense. Science actually requires
a biblical creation framework in order to be possible. erefore, evolution turns out to be more of an ?anti-science? than a science.

1 month, 1 week ago

an all powerful being would be able to change nature at will, therefore the uniformity of nature leads to a more natural conclusion

1 month, 1 week ago
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