The debate "United States need stricter gun laws or a gun ban do you agree" was started by
June 28, 2018, 8:06 am.
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historybuff, Nemiroff, bae_jil_dong, Yannis, BlastEver68, Andji and 7 visitors agree.
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yes a ban would be both unenforceable and undesirable. I'm sure we will disagree alot about how far we want to regulate, but I think we can all agree registration and common sense manufacturing standards are 100% needed.
The way you worded it I'm split. I agree with stricter gun laws but no gun ban.
how did you get the lives saved by guns figure and are those civilian guns or law enforcement. I'm not advocating taking guns away from cops unless they have a record. I'm assuming most of the gun life saving was by professionals, not civilians.
and yes, I think carry permits in cities or even towns should be limited. if you had a good guy with a gun he may be able to stop the bad guy, but if 50 good guys in a crowded mall whip out guns, how many will properly identify who the bad guy is? I'm sure most will be responsible but are you saying none will start shooting prematurely and a few wont empty an entire clip? how many bullets is that flying through the air with amateur aim? and if those guns are high capacity semiautos with wall piercing capabilites, will this save lives or create massive collateral damage?
good guy with a gun, great! everyone with a gun, disaster.
one quick point. it is possible to say how many people are killed by guns. it's millions of people.
it is impossible to say how many were saved by guns. people will make the argument that if a guy was shooting and is stopped by a gun then everyone present was saved by the gun. most shooters only kill a few people, so those numbers are usually wildly inflated. for example if a school shooter was stopped and I say every student in the school was saved, that's hundreds or thousands of lives. but he obviously wouldn't have killed that many.
I have to agree with your first two points I think responsible gun owners should register their weapons and have to fire bullet so they can get a casing of it that have it in their system to compare if the guns ever used in a crime do your second point I would agree that if it's found to be a manufacturer default that they should be required to do a recall but I'm pretty sure it's the same as cars the lawsuit is cheaper than a recall dear third one I kind of have to disagree I'm an average shooter and I like to go to the gun range an AR-15 AK-47 are fun to shoot if you look up how many people are saved by guns EGR it's in the neighborhood of like 500,000 people which way out number the amount of people killed by guns every year so the idea that if more people carry guns they would be less gun violence is a fairy it's not it can never be proven and on your Carry Permits I'm not exactly sure what you mean by regulated are you saying that only a certain number of them should be handing out
absolutely necessary are registration, just like cars. if someone shoots someone illegally, we need to be able to track them down and bring them to justice.
also, I dont see how manufacturers like Taurus are allowed to make dysfunctional gun that go off in the holster with the safety on, and are not required to recall ever. that's more of a manufacturing regulation but this is completely dysfunctional.
secondary to those, I don't think anyone needs assault style weapons for either hunting or self defense.
personally, I agree having a few good guys with guns around, but having the NRA fantasy of all or most people in crowded public areas armed is just chaos. Carry permits should be heavily regulated in cities.
but just to clarify, the first 2 are the ones that are really urgent.
what stricter gun laws would you like to see
no gun ban. but definitely stricter laws. the wild west had stricter laws. our gun laws have never been this stupid since the time of worthless muskets