The debate "Vegetarians shouldnt preech vegetarian views" was started by
March 11, 2015, 1:03 pm.
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frozen_emily posted 5 arguments, danielle posted 5 arguments, neveralone posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
PsychDave posted 6 arguments, Getmurked posted 2 arguments, Vighnesh posted 4 arguments to the disagreers part.
frozen_emily, danielle, Hjkp98, Tassja, Hollister_boy, Amirah_Husna, futurelawyer192, misfitcarrot, ItsMateo, JMP9940, gtomk, AdamChase, Fromage, thereal, neveralone and 12 visitors agree.
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"You have to be against killing of INNOCENT animals." ur words not mine.
someone with intelligence would realize that the Bible is a collection of books not just one and has many writers.
Are you saying that a cow is innocent?
Even the stupid writer of the Bible might have the intelligence needed to understand that.
why? why are they innocent? would u defend any predator? also again why should I when their brain power (to put lightly and for lack of a better word) would suggest we shouldn't consider them.
You have to be against killing of INNOCENT animals.
haha. dude I'm a teenage guy trying to follow God with an atheist town around me and I'm told by that God to forgive them. u want to talk about self control try that. or just being a teenage guy where everybody believes u should have sex but ur beliefs again restrict such activities.
Just admit that you don't have the self-control to become a vegetarian.
haha. just look at the bad after effects of everything. there can be bad after effects on everything. u need to balance ur diet.
Just read about the bad after effects of eating bacon.
meat eaters are healthy too. we like meat. if u just want veggies and fruit fine but don't push that on us. also I would never give up bacon
They should.It is their right to make others healthy too.
yes danielle i agree. people should respect each others wishes. tell her that you dont want to hear it, to put it quite bluntly. the thing to do here is to be direct and stubborn about it. put your foot down and tell her you like meat and some yapping about how its horrible wont change your taste buds. let her know how futile it is.
so with her she's allowed to say what she thinks but I didn't want to become veggie so she should have stopped pestering me. TBH she's probably the reason vegetarians annoy me so much!
I think the thing is here that it's just irritating when some omen goes on at you to change something you do, whether it's changing religion, changing lifestyle, eating meat or whatever. so okay freedom of speech whatever people can say what they like but equally if you don't want to change what you eat etc people shouldnt go on at you . I had a vegetarian friend and all she said every time I ate any sort of meat was "that's an animal you know, people should be veggie more energy and less animals die" and OMG that was the most irritating thing ever!!!
ok, yet agaim this is a free country where we are allowed to protest and express our views. who are we to judge what they feel.strongly about. if they want to expresss thier feelings then they can. will it change anything? no, of course not. people.have been eating animals for such a long time. its also a natural process. animals eat each other, its the ways of nature. if they want to speak thier minds let them, but perhaps let them know its futile.
That's the difference in opinion. You feel that killing animals is acceptable, they feel that it is equivalent to killing a person. As I have said, I disagree with that idea, but I can still understand why, feeling the way they do, they can't just do and say nothing. There have been groups who ate humans (usually more for ceremonial than nutritional reasons) but to us that is taboo. So while I disagree with the view that eating meat is wrong, I can respect the reasons people have to speak out against it.
helping a human who is being abused is a bit different to helping an animal! it really bugs me to a point I feel like punching something when people compare killing animals for food to killing humans we wouldn't eat a human so it would be unnecessary killing. yes I hate it when someone just randomly kills a rabbit, pig or animal just for the hell of it but if its for a reason then yes why should we look at it as a disgrace?
I love bacon, and steak, and am not vegetarian. That doesn't stop me from understanding why others feel differently.
Some vegetarians don't eat meat as a protest against the treatment of meat animals in large industrial farms. By choosing not to, they decrease the demand, if only by a small amount, which decreases the profitability of these farms. If enough people did the same, there would no longer be enough profit to warrant this type of farming and farming could go back to a more humane method. These people spread their message to raise awareness about how these animals are suffering.
Others feel that killing anything unnecessarily is wrong. Humans have the technology and the knowledge to be able to live a perfectly healthy life without eating meat. We know what nutrients we need and how to get them. These people feel that killing animals that did not need to die, and raising animals for the sole purpose of killing them is morally wrong and, for in some people's opinions, is on part with slavery and murder. They spread their message because to do nothing it to give tacit consent to these practices, which makes them guilty as well.
As I have said, I don't share these views, but I can understand intellectually where they are coming from and, in both cases, I can understand why they feel the need to spread their message. If you saw someone being abused, it is natural to want to help. They see the animals as being abused and want to do something to change it. I agree that industrial farms are cruel, which is why I get my meat from smaller farms (like my parents' farm) where I know the animals were raised humanely. I don't object to vegetarians preaching their views because to not do so would be, to them, unconscionable.
I agree that animals should be kept in good conditions but it's not that that bothers me it's the "eating animals is cruel" it's not cruel it's survival! Plus who the feck can resist bacon!!!!!!
we do have a use for every animal. bald eagle: its top of its food chain and it keeps all the animals below it in the food chain at a low population to prevent over population. it is also seen as a symbol to americans and so therefore quite useful!
yeah there's a thing called eating only ones that are killed in a certain way you don't have to start going vegetarian and then preaching on at us about killing animals and eating meat is ethically wrong!
Frozen_Emily, why do you think animals exist to be useful to you? By that logic, we should exterminate all animals that we don't have a use for. I have never eaten bald eagle, nor do we make clothing out of them, and we can't even eat their eggs, so why do the even exist?
Danielle, not all vegetarians are against the food chain. Many are opposed to how animals meant for eating are treated. There are some pretty terrible videos of animals being mistreated and living in awful conditions. Do you feel that they are being unreasonable to oppose this?
no to be fair of they dont like the taste of meat then fair enough but dont whinge about the 'ethics'. there's this thing called a food chain and it happens everywhere and every species of animal is on it somewhere. Humans are at the top we are the predators! cows and sheep are lower down they are prey, they are here for the survival of other animals! it's the same with lions and zebras and no one has ever critisised a lion for eating a zebra because thats their food in the same way that cows are our food and let's face it we kill the animals painlessly whereas a lion will choke it to death break its neck or just eat it alive so I dont think anyone can question the ethics!!
f****** fussy eaters! lol
what are animals here for? why do we have them? to eat! they were put here to eat and so why ignore those wishes! why would 'god' put a cow on earth if we weren't meant to use it apart from that animals are useless. yes I see where they are coming from but no I don't see the point in spreading round rubbish that isn't true! and killing an animal like a sheep is different to killing a human
About the overpopulation of animals, where do people keep getting this idea that if people stopped eating meat farmers would release all their livestock to fend for themselves? I have never seen any reputable source explaining this overpopulation theory, so if you could point me to some information on it, I would appreciate it.
Putting aside the fact that no one likes to be told that they are doing something wrong, vegetarians who have ethical objections to killing animals have a moral obligation to try to change things. If you saw someone about to step in front of a bus, or saw someone murdered, and did nothing but sit back and watch, would you feel good about yourself? That is what you are asking vegetarians to do. If they honestly feel that killing an animal for food is murder, you are asking them to know that murders are happening all around them, to watch people enjoy the results, and not say anything. I understand that they can get overzealous, but really it is understandable.
All that said, I eat meat. I was raised on a beef farm, and I have no ethical qualms about eating meat. I have had vegetarian friends try to change that, but they have not succeeded. That doesn't mean that I blame them for trying since while I don't agree with them I can understand where they are coming from.
yes but the difference is saying oh yeah its wrong to eat meat because that pig was once happy well guess what? yeah it was happy! but I find that pig tasty and it makes me happy! when none vegetarians preech that vegetarians get all upset and say how bad we are for doing this. but I'm pretty sure they go around calling us murderers and sinners for doing so but really we are just innocent people innocently eating something which is gonna help us grow up and its not the idea that vegetarians preech it its the fact that vegetarians think its okay to turn the country into an overpopulation of animals and that's not fair on the animals!
Everyone is free to express their own opinions. That's one of the great things about living in a free country. If a vegetarian is morally opposed to eating meat, they are also morally obligated to explain to others why. The same way if you were talking to someone who thought raping someone was OK you would (hopefully) feel obligated to explain why it is not.