We are only twenty years away from truly understanding human consciousness

May 28, 2015, 2:43 pm

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The debate "We are only twenty years away from truly understanding human consciousness" was started by I_Voyager on May 28, 2015, 2:43 pm. 21 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 24 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

I_Voyager posted 8 arguments, PsychDave posted 3 arguments, Damn3d posted 1 argument, toughgamer posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
WordSpeller posted 9 arguments, soullesschicken posted 3 arguments, bearunter posted 3 arguments to the disagreers part.

I_Voyager, soullesschicken, PsychDave, Ashik, toughgamerjerry, Damn3d, Maxx_Royy, KimUri, Amanurl, Kirito, thatmathewguy and 10 visitors agree.
WordSpeller, sdiop, bearunter, Sosocratese, raz, DanielleR123, eka_zulaikha, sabrina, Tristanzee and 15 visitors disagree.

No one understands it yet, that is the point. 100 years ago, people couldn't imagine computers, cell phones or nuclear power plants. As technology and knowledge advance, we learn and understand more and more until we can understand. No one person would be capable of starting from scratch and coming to a complete understanding of the human mind. Fortunately, we don't have to start from scratch. We have decades of research and acquired knowledge to build upon.

4 years, 3 months ago

I think my re teacher told me, but you understand how it works because you built it but know one has created a brain manually and people still don't understand.

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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I propose several counter arguments.

Firstly, it's possible that many minds together could understand a single mind. This means each mind must only understand one part. If they compiled their research into one paper, and one person read it what would have to be for it to be true is that there would be more information than the mind could hold onto.

We can compress information into simpler packages though. What needs to be demonstrated is that so much information is required to describe a human mind that it is in excess of what a human mind can contain. But thus far there is no demonstrable limit to the amount of knowledge a person can have. No one has ever been demonstrated learning too much and then not being able to learn any more. So the limit of understanding the human brain is at best a hypothesis.

4 years, 3 months ago

I can build a computer which contains everything needed to replicate that computer. Every blueprint, waiting diagram, as well as explanation of what each piece does. That brain has a complete understanding of every part of itself. While the human mind is far more complex, that doesn't render it impossible to understand.

Where did you get that quote?

4 years, 3 months ago

when you are smart enough to understand your brain then you would be smarter then you would be smarter than your which is impossiblr

4 years, 3 months ago

I would just like to say we will never understand are in consciousness and i will hope you agree with this quote that is my entire argument. "for us to understand our brain we would be so smart are brain would be to big to complex or are brain would be so small we would be to dumb to understand.

4 years, 3 months ago

Wow, I'm done here then.

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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Au revoir ya poisonous jack-off. Don't come back.

4 years, 3 months ago

Another Bible. Holly crap I won't read this. Sorry for making you waste your time. Bye

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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The implicit judgements and insults you're sensing is a symptom of your egotistical paranoia. Not that I'm judging you for having ego, 'cause I'm an egotistical f**ker and a happy hypocrite. But if I want to insult you I'll tell you to go f**k yourself 'cause I have no patience to play language games to make myself feel good. Piss me off enough I'll tell you to go peel your f**king flesh off with a rusty knife and let someone f**k the wound. If I'm judging you, I'll tell you you're an idiot and point out why I think that. I don't, by the way. If I'm not saying these things I'm not intending insult or judgement.

If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. Don't participate. I've got plenty of statements that weren't responded to. I don't care. I'm not here to get you or anyone else to like me or what I have to say. I'm here to explore my own thoughts and those of others in the context of debates with people over specific topics in a controlled setting that hasn't yet been spoiled by emotional trolls.

My number figure was arbitrary. Your clever rhetorical response was not "enough". It was way more than enough given the result. It was clever, but not fitting a debate. Pointing out the arbitrary rhetoric with arbitrary rhetoric and nothing else was to appease your emotion and need. Because a lack of perfection pisses you off and sends you on the attack. A weakness hidden behind a sense of sport? Better would have been "To say twenty years is arbitrary." Which I would have probably accepted right away. Or if this conversation is well behind your superior f**king intellect, better to f**king ignore it.

4 years, 3 months ago

And it would be enough.

4 years, 3 months ago

What if I said "Jesus is coming back in 50 years." What would you say?

I think it would be: "nah, definitely 51 years"

4 years, 3 months ago

That's just Voyager overrating his own question by making indirect comments with the implicit massage that we're not good enough to discuss his ideas for us showing no interest in what he says.

I have nothing against him, but I don't think he should expect any reply to a rhetorical question :/

4 years, 3 months ago

Jeez, I'm gone for a day I come back and see this.

4 years, 3 months ago

Nevermind. I just wanted to troll someone I knew would get upset so I chose this app xD

Ok, I'll stop now.

4 years, 3 months ago

Oh so now this is going into a comeback war eh? This will be quite interesting. Maybe once it ends we will truly understand the human consciousness.

4 years, 3 months ago

You know though Word... The question was as legitimate as all the ones you've asked. You clearly know nothing about the topic; why even bother posting in the first place? Especially with terrible jokes that I probably used in 6th grade.

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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Quit bitching over shit irrelevant to you then.

4 years, 3 months ago

Nah, I'm fine. I've got my own books to read at home.

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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Do you want my f**king life history?

4 years, 3 months ago

fap fap fap

I like to give my opinion in interesting discussions in this app, but I'm nothing compared to you who seems to be here the whole day writing books as answers. It looks like you have plenty of time to waste, don't you?

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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Nah, that's alright. I think I'll just ignore you since you're only out to jack off on the app. Let you masturbate in peace.

4 years, 3 months ago

Say something interesting and we might feel attracted to discuss it.

4 years, 3 months ago
I_Voyager
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Pleasant rhetoric. But otherwise more fitting on a general forum than a debate app, given the lack of effort towards furthering the debate.

4 years, 3 months ago

nah, definitely 21 years.

4 years, 3 months ago

Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you. We're 17 years away from understanding human consciousness.

4 years, 3 months ago

I don't know if the 20 year estimate is optimistic, but we have never been closer and we are advancing in leaps and bounds.

4 years, 3 months ago

The understanding we have of how the brain, thoughts, perception, the nervous system and genetics has never been greater. That understanding is only getting better and better. We have the ability to tap into visual perception and take both video and still images from brains and display them on screens. There is background noise we cannot interpret, but this has gone so far as to display the mental image a cat has of a movie on a secondary screen (and the human it was looking at had slightly cat-like features by the cats perspective!)

We have the ability to track and recognize certain cognitive impulses along the nervous system and account for them. This means we have bionic limbs which respond to thought. We have head-mounted devices with EEG's which allow us to control computers with thoughts, and these devices are as cheap as $500 and Windows compatible. We've got primitive bionic eyes which allow the user to see light from dark despite having not being able to do so before. We've got the ability to take two subjects and have one control the others body over the internet in order to accomplish tasks in a simple computer game. We've sequenced the human genome and have identified the role of numerous genes in outputting the human condition. Our FMRI and EEG technologies are improving drastically with the resolution of imaging doubling every year. Our best technology can image the magnetic activity of individual cells. Coupled with advances in nanotechnology we'll soon have the ability to explore the cellular, genetic and neurological system of man completely. Twenty years tops.

4 years, 3 months ago
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