We Christians have become stone hearted. we traded the open hand for the pointing one

June 19, 2017, 10:14 pm

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The debate "We Christians have become stone hearted. we traded the open hand for the pointing one" was started by neveralone on June 19, 2017, 10:14 pm. 3 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 5 people are on the disagree side. There needs to be more votes to see what the common perception is. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

neveralone posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
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interesting it may be just what I have seen.

2 years ago
Nemiroff
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actually I was hearing a report that the Catholic church went hard left in the 60s and 70s before going back to the right in the 80s and 90s and now back left. I don't think there is any pattern of steady evolution. more like confusion.

2 years ago
PsychDave
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I'm not sure they were inclusive in the early days so much as there was no central leadership. There were so many rival churches with different beliefs and dogma that all came together to form Christianity as we know it today, and those who didn't toe the line were kicked out, or even exiled from their land.

I do agree that fearing the church has a great deal to do with it losing power, but that loss has led to a more inclusive and accepting organization as it fights to stay relevant. The current Pope is more inclusive that previous leaders and seems to actually practice what he preaches. All of these have led to a church that is becoming less fire and brimstone and more God's love.

2 years ago
Nemiroff
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Christians have always been builders of extravagant churches. it's meant to glorify God. jews on the other hand typically have simple looking temples, not too save money. but to display humility. except there's one synagogue in Rome that's covered by as much gold as the surrounding churched.

they do go crazy on decorating the compartment where the Torah is kept. The official big scroll looking one, not the book copies for reading.

2 years ago
Nemiroff
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I don't think not fearing the church has anything to do with how far Christians have come but mostly the church's loss of power. It pretty much became tyrannical and drunk off it's power and that had nothing to do with the views of Christians.

Also, I think they were much more inclusive during its early days as a persecuted minority. it's after the dark ages (maybe after Rome adopted Christianity, idk details of that time) that they went intolerant under the guidance of a power drunk church.

2 years ago
neveralone
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in some ways yes. others not so much. I see and hear about it a lot. people being shunned for their sins. and who can't forget the Catholic money. I understand God asks for ten percent so with so many u would have a lot but instead of helping others they instead build churches that are way more expensive than they need to be.

2 years ago

Christian has been moving towards a more inclusive and less violence position for a long time. There are still extremists, but most Christians are more accepting and less judgemental than ever before. The fact that we can discuss this without having to fear for our lives for speaking against the church shows how far the church has come.

2 years ago
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