We don't need religion in this world

January 31, 2016, 6:27 am

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The debate "We don't need religion in this world" was started by Sherlock17 on January 31, 2016, 6:27 am. By the way, Sherlock17 is disagreeing with this statement. 18 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

project_mayhem posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
Alex posted 3 arguments, historybuff posted 3 arguments, ReadyToBegin posted 7 arguments to the disagreers part.

Sosocratese, project_mayhem, danielle, samreen, franciscotrejo, Socrates, jfischthecat and 11 visitors agree.
Sherlock17, wmd, H_Muneer, confident, ReadyToBegin, Alex, DiamondPerfect, mandala, fLipp3r, rinms and 5 visitors disagree.

accurate, well written post there bigB.

3 years, 5 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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I agree

3 years, 5 months ago

I'm Catholic and I love my faith, it taught me to love God's creation even if you don't like or disagree with one's notions or ideas. It taught me to give to people and to volunteer at soup kitchens because we are God's children. Yes religion has been used as a scapegoat for atrocities and the justification for it. Religion isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing used by people to do horrible things. Many religions teach of feeding the poor and providing comfort to the sick and dying. I think many people who don't like religion are only trying to find fault in it, can't you find fault in anything? Honestly I say leave religion alone and the people in it. With that said I'm not going to argue with any of you on your personal opinion on religion or any of its ideas

3 years, 5 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"I'm not in favor if religion. I've made that very clear. but I'm not saying we should force anyone to do anything. I'm saying the world would be better if everyone stopped believing in fairy tales."
- But to religious people it is not a fairy tale. That's bashing and disrepecting their beliefs to equate it to that. Plus from the fictional route. There are plenty of good morals that can be taken from religious text.

"some form of spiritualism will likely always exist. but organized religion has outlived its usefulness."
- Now I don't like organized religion all that much either, but the question was for all of it. Some people can't have that emptiness in their lives.

"I never said woke up and never had it. I said woke up and it no longer existed. there is no way to really speculate how humans would have developed without religion. but that isn't what this debate is about as far as I can tell. it seems to me to be about whether we need it now."
- Sorry if I misunderstood the first part. That is very true. I think so as well and I feel like on an individual level it is needed for those who believe and feel one with their faith.

3 years, 5 months ago

yes I said that. I think it should go. I'm in no way advocating that we should force anyone however.

I'm not in favor if religion. I've made that very clear. but I'm not saying we should force anyone to do anything. I'm saying the world would be better if everyone stopped believing in fairy tales.

some form of spiritualism will likely always exist. but organized religion has outlived its usefulness.

I never said woke up and never had it. I said woke up and it no longer existed. there is no way to really speculate how humans would have developed without religion. but that isn't what this debate is about as far as I can tell. it seems to me to be about whether we need it now.

3 years, 5 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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wait a minute. Weren't you the one who said
"it's time for it to go"

3 years, 5 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"I don't think anyone in this debate is saying we should ban religion or force people to not believe."
- But isn't that the core of it? If you want people to wake up and everyone is an atheist, I don't think you are in favor of religion.

"we're discussing if we would be better without religion. so people's right to have religion is not relevant. if we woke up tomorrow and there was no religion in the world, I think the world would be a better place."

- I dont think it would be. I think religion will/will always exist. I don't see it as a problem as you seem to. It's helped us evolve and many people use their faith positively. I think the right to faith does matter in this argument for what you just said. If we woke up without it and never had it. I feel like people would still come up with something similar to faith. Something spiritual inside them. Then I guess they would be persecuted and called ignorant in that world.

-We would also have to take away every positive thing religion has done over the years. I don't see how we could take away something so vital to history. You'd have to censor so many things to make sure no one found out about the religons. I don't think everyone will willingly become atheists.

3 years, 5 months ago

I don't think anyone in this debate is saying we should ban religion or force people to not believe. we're discussing if we would be better without religion. so people's right to have religion is not relevant. if we woke up tomorrow and there was no religion in the world, I think the world would be a better place.

3 years, 5 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"Im not saying religion doesn't do good, but doing good deeds is not exclusive to religion."
- If this is in response to mine, I said that I know secular things do as well, but we should be allowed to have faith. If you know that it does good, why not support having both? Some people do feel as though they need religion and it is their right to worship (at least in my country)

" The biggest problem with religion is that people are emotionally invested in it. "
- People become emotional invested in many things. Why are emotions or feeling strongly about something an issue. I dislike discrimination and feel emotional invested to stop it, how is that bad?

"This caused many religious people to be willfully ignorant."
- there are also many religious people who are smart. There are atheist who are not. Vice versa. That is a people thing. Very generalised statement.

" Instead of changing views and beliefs in the face of evidence, religion will try everything to preserve old ideas which stops them from gaining new knowledge about our reality."
- I know churches and throughout histroy there are religons that go through reform. They change, but still have the core values and morals. I know plenty of people who gain new knowledge, but enjoy salvation and faith. They know reality.

" In my opinion religious people do this in fear of going to their religions hell as religion plays on our fears. I mean what better way to get people do what you want them to do and tell them you will be rewarded after you die."

- Religion also gives insentives for doing many morally right things. Many people are not comfortable with the idea that we just die. It seems you have a very negative view on religion, (though you did state you saw some good). If we go by that religion was made just to control people, laws and rules were as well. They just have quicker consequences.



-Not everyone thinks they need religion, but if they want it and feel it is needed for them. They should have the right to it. Religion has been positive for many people.

3 years, 5 months ago

Im not saying religion doesn't do good, but doing good deeds is not exclusive to religion. Religion started from when humans evolved to the point where we were able to ask the big questions of life. where we came from? is there something out there? what controls the weather? etc. You add these questions and wanting to control masses, you get religion. The biggest problem with religion is that people are emotionally invested in it. This caused many religious people to be willfully ignorant. Instead of changing views and beliefs in the face of evidence, religion will try everything to preserve old ideas which stops them from gaining new knowledge about our reality. In my opinion religious people do this in fear of going to their religions hell as religion plays on our fears. I mean what better way to get people do what you want them to do and tell them you will be rewarded after you die.

3 years, 5 months ago
ReadyToBegin
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"religion has outlived its purpose. religion isn't what ties people together any more."
- It does tie people together. Yes so does secular things, but religions do as well.

" we have countries, secular countries. it isn't the main cause if charity anymore. "
- I'm not sure what you mean by "if (of?) charity anymore" Do you mean giving money? Do you mean going out for causes. Plenty of churches do as well as other religion affiliated things.

http://www.forbes.com/companies/catholic-charities-usa/

- Catholic Charites debuted on a forbes list as one of the biggest charities.

i"t doesn't inspire the best art or music. it doesn't prevent wars or crime."
- It helps prisons when they convert over. No legal system or religion has ever completely prevented crime. The part about music is opinionated. I am not a hard christian, but I love gospel music.

"it has lost everything it was useful for. most of what remains is the downsides. the prejudices, the discrimination, the wars, the violence, the suppression of Rights and freedoms, the suppression of scientific advancement. "

--- There are plenty of people who blieve in some god or gods and have advanced in scientific. Ben Carson is an example. In history religous societied have advanced in science. Ancient China for example and Rome.

Plenty of secular counties have these issues. Being religous doesn't outright make you any of those things. Lots of relgions aided civil rights movements and such. Martin Luther King was a very religious. It's how people use it, but that is everything.

There has been reforms to religions that allow for such turns. I don't think it needs to be taken away.

it's time for it to go."

Just because we have secular countries doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to have faith.

3 years, 5 months ago

religion has outlived its purpose. religion isn't what ties people together any more. we have countries, secular countries. it isn't the main cause if charity anymore. it doesn't inspire the best art or music. it doesn't prevent wars or crime. it has lost everything it was useful for. most of what remains is the downsides. the prejudices, the discrimination, the wars, the violence, the suppression of Rights and freedoms, the suppression of scientific advancement.

it's time for it to go.

3 years, 5 months ago

I feel like through history religion has played a major role. I am not just taking Christianity as there are so many more. Faith has saved a lot of people. Some countries were founded on religious beliefs as well as came together because of belief.

If by world you mean throughout history of the world until know. I'd definitely say no. Religion has played a role that nothing else can feel.

If you just mean the modern world. I still would be hesitant to declare it unneeded. I think there must be some malice against religion to want to abolish it. It does do plenty of good. It has done wrong. That's most things.

3 years, 5 months ago

Many wars were caused by religion. Many religious people then and today kill in the name of religion. There are many bible versus that support slavery. Even in the new testament. Religion is just one more thing that divides us as a species.

3 years, 5 months ago

Alex that makes no sense. laws predate Christianity by alot. they do not have to be religious in nature. secular countries have better legal systems than religious ones.

charity is not solely a religious thing either. the. many wars are religiously based, we would have less wars without it. the Catholic church endorsed slavery. banning it had nothing to do with religion.

your whole argument is nonsense.

3 years, 5 months ago

without religion there would be no charity. strealing, murder, and things would be ok to do. there would be more wars. people would be treated as things, not people. slavery would be ok. ect.

3 years, 5 months ago

There are thousands of other known species that survive without religion. Today there are many countries who are mainly secular and are doing just fine. Humans would have done fine and probably better without religion .

3 years, 5 months ago

There would be no human species without religion.

3 years, 5 months ago

Its an insult to the human species to say we need religion.

3 years, 5 months ago
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