We need Godly people

April 3, 2018, 2:53 pm

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The debate "We need Godly people" was started by Math123 on April 3, 2018, 2:53 pm. 12 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 3 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

NeoArchaic posted 26 arguments, neveralone posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

Math123, NeoArchaic, bruh352, neveralone, MajorGeneralX, Conservative81 and 6 visitors agree.
historybuff, Ash and 1 visitor disagree.

NeoArchaic
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Jesus is the Son of God.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Najam1
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Muhammad is married to Mary in heaven. That's why Muslim women and the famous pictures of Mary are such an ominous sign.
He loves the females like that.
And no fool is going to change the dress code and imagery of Mary or Muslim women.
It's because of his efforts that abortion of baby girls was abolished.
Before Muhammad snapped, it was legal to kill baby girls, just cuz its a girl.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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You are right to say Jesus, Who is Spirit, was never born. But Jesus is the Son of God. May I teach you why?

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Najam1
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You are a lying fool.
Human reproduce and have children.
The Almighty God is not a human and doesn't reproduce.
He made Adam.
He didn't have sex with a woman and Adam was their child.
You are a creation, not his baby.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Furthermore, Nemiroff. God talks daily with His children.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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A "voicemail" is relevant as many times as its intended audience needs to listen to it.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Najam1
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NeoArchaic,
You know I would call you lying fool in your face for claiming the Holy Quran and Muslims themselves are not special gifts from the Almighty God.
Muslims are a beautiful gift and blessing to mankind. They have Quran.
I don't care if you hate the book.
I don't care if you refuse to read it.
I know your game.
You hate that book because fools like you want to have sex with more than one woman before you die, while lying and saying only one wife is allowed.
You only lie so you can keep abortion clinics open and kill your babies if women are simultaneously pregnant by the same husband.
You can't murder babies unless you lie about the 4 wives in the Holy Quran.
And you fools definitely want to keep murdering babies in abortion clinics.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I meant active talking, not prerecorded messages

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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God has never stopped talking. This is called the Bible.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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so rather than think for yourself you will blindly follow random instructions?

how can you even tell objectively if the voice speaking to you is God and not being deceived by the great deceiver aka devil!

maybe we should use the conscious and intelligence god himself gave us and think for ourselves.

why do you think God stopped interfering and talking to us in the longest time?

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Yes - "thou" (you) shall not kill. Only God can give you permission to kill. To operate outside of that is murder.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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The Papacy is not Biblical. It is unjustified.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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the rule is tho shall not kill. not thou shall not murder

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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the pope speaks for God according to catholic Christian's. so his word is the word of God. therefore God commanded the crusades

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Neighbor, tell me - when, where did God tell the Crusaders to kill. Was their justification from Scripture?

5 months, 2 weeks ago

it's people like you that butchered the entire population of Jerusalem during the 1st crusade. God wills it so it isn't murder. what wonderful morality you have.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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That's dangerous that you don't know. You really don't know the difference? Neighbor. All killing outside of murder is justified. Murder - is unjustified killing. It is from the Bible men find Justification. It is from the One True God we find Morality.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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what's the difference?

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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All killing is permissible. Murder is not.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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so if God came down and commanded people to go forth and kill, killing would be the moral thing to do?

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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There is nothing wrong with God commanding anyone to kill.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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I used both names because I forgot which one it was, thanks for clearing that up.

the point remains the same. God commanded someone to kill and expected him to obey.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Without God, there is no morality.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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There is proof for God.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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God didn't tell Abraham to murder his son, Isaac.

5 months, 2 weeks ago

indeed an atheist who does good works is clearly not doing it for an eternal reward he does not believe it but for the good it does (and some personal satisfaction).

on the other hand, a good theist may just be acting good to please God and get his salvation, all entirely selfish acts that he may not have done without the carrot and stick act of the bible.

if you ask me, doing good deeds with no expectations of reward is far more virtuous.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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as I said. there is no contradiction. it was all part of his plan.

did he not demand (isaac or abraham) to murder his son? sure he stopped it, but God expected him to actually obey this brutal law in order to pass the test. thus if God says kill now, it is clear he isnt testing your values but your obedience. no?

also, in order for Gods morals to be objective you would have to prove your God exists. other religions literally make the same claim you make and call your moralities false, and theirs the objective truth. I'm sure you will disagree but the amount of evidence is identical for all of you. 0.

what do morals even matter? according to most Christian's, good works are irrelevant. if one accepts jesus christ and dont do major sins they get it, if they dont they could live the life of charity, modesty, and good works, they will still burn. that's is completely immoral. I do hope it's just a misinterpretation.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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God's morality can never contradict itself. Jesus will never contradict Himself.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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The conscience we each have is the awareness of God's morality. Not a man made morality.

5 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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oh I never implied a contraction. jesus didn't change his mind. he knew from the beginning that after our populations grew and prospered, and in April of 2018 he, from the start, intended to come and declare that the time has come for us to cull ourselves.

would murder now be good because he said so? or is it still bad because morality is independent of God and he is just informing us of it?

also what do you think of the belief that God implanted morality into us? a voice telling us what is wrong and right, a conscience. something that we know no matter our faith or lack thereof.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

Christians do not steal keys to unlock an imprisoned person. Psalm 24:1

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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The Quran is not from God.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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You are right to say we look to God for morality. As Christians our morality is God's morality. This morality is THE only morality there is. All others have no meaning because they don't belong to God. You are right to say non-believers have their systems of right and wrong. They call these "morality." We acknowledge that they "think" they have a morality but inform them that the only real morality is God's :)

5 months, 3 weeks ago

that is not what this debate is about. it was just an example, not an excuse for your weird rants.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
Najam1
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Adultery is very important in the sphere of godliness. You cannot minimize the damage these men of adultery and their advocates inflict.
Adulterous men hate wives and children of their own.
That's why they completely avoid, even hide from eligible unmarried women seeking their first baby.
Adulterous men simply want to destroy the marriage of another man, and will even refuse to marry the woman they committed adultery with after the husband divorces her.
The adulterous man doesn't want the already married woman as his wife, or any women as his wives he just doesn't want the actual husband to raise his family.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

it was just a hypothetical scenario najam meant to continue the main topic. please stop going off on weird tangents.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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which is why we look to Good for ours. but the sick still have a right and wrong system of their own. wether it is right or not doesn't matter it is a system that we must acknowledge and see how we can help them see.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

Adultery is radically different from cheating.
Let's say you refuse to marry a girl you're dating and call her your girlfriend. If she sneaks around with another man, then you accuse her of cheating; not adultery.
Historybuff wants to minimize a serious crisis in which a couple took solemn vows and are raising a family down to the level of people who can walk out of each others lives without a second thought.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
Najam1
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Historybuff is the adultery advocate. He encourages men to refuse wives of their own, and tells them it's okay to only have sex with wives of other men.
He down with Naughty by Nature and O.P.P.
Adultery is evil because the married couple might have children that suddenly won't have a father in their presence because he might kill the man who refuses to have wives and children of his own, he might kill his own wife, or he might simply flee and allow the adulterous man to force a divorce and marry the disloyal woman.
If he flees, he can just get a new wife and start over having children and let the adulterer have his old family.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
Najam1
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The only God is certainly responsible for us having the Bible and the Quran.
Evil folk hate the Quran, and others are afraid of the Quran.
They are angry because it's in Arabic, and they are jealous that it's in it's original language but the Bible doesn't have people called Hafiz who actually memorized it.
Nobody in America wants to memorize a book that's not in it's original language, or else those who hate on Arabic people would also start hating anyone who spoke Hebrew or Aramaic.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

how about this, a man's wife is cheating on him so he murders her. to a western person that is immoral. To someone from India that is an honor killing and is totally justified. culture changes morality.

or something like a man is imprisoning people in his basement. the only way to save them is to steal the key to free them. to save them would be violating one of the 10 commandments, but it is obviously the moral thing to do.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Morality can not contradict itself. Do you know that Jesus has already said, "thou shall not murder." Therefore, neighbor, He will never say, "go and murder." Do you understand?

5 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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so if jesus says "go forth and murder" murder would now be good?

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Man made morality is no morality at all neighbor. Only what Jesus says is good and bad is all that matters.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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did he not make us? do we not have free will? it doesn't Trump His but it is real.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Man made morality is no morality at all. So morality is never contradicted. The morality of God, in the Bible - yes, is the only morality.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
neveralone
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morality tends to always contradict each other. one person sees a women being forced to do things they do not want to and the other sees dead babies. one sees a nation butting it's head into others problem another sees a nation trying to save lives.human morals are always contradictive. the best we can do is try and follow God as closely as we can and listen to the holy spirit. we also must separate ourselves from these problems to try and help against getting a skewed opinion. we have failed miserably on this but if we try to turn back we can get out of the hole we dug.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Morality can not contradict itself. There must be one, absolute morality.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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well there are the moralities of other dieties. then there are the mortalities of philosophy. and then there is individual choice.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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You don't want to be "good" at insulting anyone, neighbor.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
NeoArchaic
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Without the God of the Bible, there is no morality

5 months, 3 weeks ago

Most godly people are non confrontational, and terrible at returning insults to an insulter. In fact, many of them will actually cry about some ungodly mocker on the Earth.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

we need people who are capable of moral actions without the threat of punishment from an imaginary deity.

5 months, 3 weeks ago

I agree. Godliness is very important.

5 months, 3 weeks ago
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