We ONLY have 1 God

April 2, 2015, 11:30 am

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The debate "We ONLY have 1 God" was started by animegirlxx on April 2, 2015, 11:30 am. 68 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 60 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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it's hilarious how people think the more they write the more their argument is valid. I will debate anybody

4 years ago

of course my horse!

4 years ago
I_Voyager
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I'm aware. I was being cheeky.

I don't see how there are only two options - random or purpose. As I said, "random" is just a symptom of our ignorance. What is, is. It's not random. It is.

I'm sorry, but scientists have a very convincing explanation for the origin of the earth. You'll have to show me this data you claim, but from what I understand our star was born out of something like a nebula, which attracted a lot of mass which swirled in entropy for a long time. Eventually what remained were the planets as we know them.

Yes your god is what I am talking about. And Krishna and Allah. And all the gods that didn't exist in this part of the multitheologiverse. They're all like branches coming off the same Supergod tree. Belief in any of them is belief in Supergod.

I never brought up evolution. I said existence exists, and the are minimum conditions are only those which pertain to existence - the facts of matter in motion. You're asserting this motion requires a god. I'm asserting no, the universe only requires its own nature, and if that seems hard to understand it's only because we're ignorant of its nature. The assertion of a god seems like an over-explanation. The reason why you put your hand in a glove is because your brain contains information, which is merely a natural event. Because objects in nature can remember the past by way of leaving imprints upon forms, and systems can respond to these imprints. All which we are is explainable in nature, as far as my continuous study of science has concluded.

4 years, 1 month ago

Okay, first off I want to say that Jesus is not believed by all Americans. He is believed by all Christians. America is a country with a lot of beliefs.

Next you said that you don't believe that the universe came together randomly. But if it didn't happen randomly, then it was forced to happen by a creator. So right now you are kinda contradicting yourself but I think I am just misunderstanding that.

I gave out the number of atoms in the earth because, for the earth to randomly come together, all those atoms would have to come together. And scientist have proven that it could not happen even in 13 billion years. So this proves that the universe did not just randomly come together or else we wouldn't be here.

When you say supergod, your talking about our God. Jesus is apart of the trinity that we believe in, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. And He also allowed everything to happen, and we can see that because it happened. And yes God could make any idol a real God at any given time, if that is His will. I believe that God allowed all these different beliefs to happen to test Christians to do the best they can to prove Creation. Now that does not mean arguing with anybody who does not believe, I will not go into this but if you want to know just read Proverbs 7 I believe.

You say that you can see that evolution is true because it is happening right now. I can say that Creation is true because it's happening right now. That is not enough to prove evolution. That is like grabbing a cookie at home that was made in the factory and saying that you made this cookie at home because it is in your hands at home.

4 years, 1 month ago
I_Voyager
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I don't entirely follow your arguments. It seems you're trying to argue that things don't self-arrange, because there are a lot of things. The premise doesn't seem to support the conclusion. Then you speculate at odds of the universe aggregating into forms without re-enforcing why your speculations should be meritorious. If it were in matter's nature to aggregate into forms, it would happen every time it would happen. Since matter has aggregated into forms, it must be within it's nature to do so. You go onto say things don't happen randomly, when I never said I believe in the randomness of events. In fact, I don't believe things happen randomly. Every event informs the future, yet not necessarily my sense apparatus. The sense of 'randomness' is a symptom of our ignorance of the function of the thing.

It's true that once you assert the existence of a transcendent god outside of the universe I cannot verify that there is no god. Just as you cannot disprove a claim made by me that transcendent of all the laws of every god and religion is a Supergod that created all the religions and gods. There are no contradictions, because the religions and gods are true and exist when they were/are true at his convenience. But Supergod has the ability to make religions or gods true or false at any given time, and in any given way. This is why Allah is true for the Arabs, and Jesus is true for the Americans. But the Greek Gods are no longer true because Supergod saw fit to make them not exist any more. The bible may say "Thou shalt have no gods before me", but that's ok because as an extension of Supergod, believing in Jesus is also believing in Supergod - they're one in the same. Supergod contains Jesus. The Trinity exists in a circle. You can't disprove it, because it exists outside your universe. And your religion can't disprove it because Supergod is truer than your religion. Why? Because he's transcendent of religion and heaven and isn't bound by its nature or rules.

Though I see no reason to believe any of this, or any theological assertion. The universe seems self-evidently true. Since it is happening, the easiest explanation is that it is happening because it can happen. Therefore the qualities of reality must be such that a 4+ dimensional universe can exist. The minimal conditions don't require a god. Just other dimensions with other qualities. Why add god to that?

4 years, 1 month ago

You say that you think the universe just came together by itself. I have two arguments against that. 1. Say I have a glove, and I tell it to go pick up a rock or something like that. It won't do anything. But if I put my hand in the glove then I can pick up the rock. Nothing on this world can just randomly happen. 2. the amount of grams in the earth 5.98*10 to the 27th power. that's 5,980,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 grams. The amount of atoms is 1.33*10 to the 50th power. Too many zeros. And your telling me that all those atoms came together randomly. That possibility could not happen once in even 13 billion years. Which is what scientist say how old the universe is. Knowing that it is hard to believe that this earth and life on it came together randomly.

And we may not be able to 100% prove that there is a God. But there is absolutely no way that you can prove that there is no God. You cannot prove that something does not exist. But looking at the facts all around us, I think that the best possible solution would be that there is a God, and I hope that you will agree with me, but I cannot force you to do anything.

4 years, 1 month ago

I think the most rational position is that the universe exists by the virtue of its own nature. Which ripostes this assertion thusly: it is likely there are no gods.

4 years, 1 month ago

I am not sure there is a god. When you say we have only one god, prove there is one first.

4 years, 1 month ago

Mastermind. your argument that there is no evidence that says the Bible is true is false. There is tons of real life evidence that we can see all throughout the world that proves the Bible. And I don't just mean man made I mean man made. There are archeological sites that prove like where the sermon on the mount was, the temple in Israel where Issac was about to be sacrificed but then God gave an animal, then was made into a temple, then taken down, then made mostly out of gold, then destroyed by the Romans without a single stone on top of another just as predicted. Shall I go on?

4 years, 1 month ago

There is no God.

4 years, 1 month ago

I believe God and religion are ones of one's own conscience the Bible is the words of a man to wisdom how he sees things in life from the good and evil he's trying to make them into story and religion for people to understand it to see how you feel. Its not that I'm athiest years I could just see the connection between to God and one mans intake on the world consiously. as god made the world to His own image could of possibly mean the man that made it up has these visions of the whole world.

4 years, 2 months ago

No. I'm an atheist.

Fine. I'll change the question. If I wrote a book about dragons that threatened you of being eternally burnt by dragons if you didn't believe it, would you believe my book?

4 years, 2 months ago

animegirl, there's more religions than Christianity, why you'd be surprised to know that 10's of thousands of people still practice the ancient Greek religion.

4 years, 2 months ago

Well, I'll ask you. Are you a Christian?

4 years, 2 months ago

If I trust a book about dragons, what do I get?

4 years, 2 months ago

And how exactly do you know the bible's words are true? It provides no evidence or logical justifications for its claims. Why do you not trust a book about dragons and choose to trust the bible?

4 years, 2 months ago

epoche, what about you? how many gods do you have?

4 years, 2 months ago

animegirl, yes to you, you have one god.

4 years, 2 months ago

1 Corinthian 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." So very clear that we only have ONE God

4 years, 2 months ago

Well we know we are stardust and 1/10000 species that has evolved on this rock for billions of years. We dont know exactly what happened before the big bang, and thats ok. Sometimes when we dont know the answer its ok to say "i dont know" versus saying "God did it" .

4 years, 2 months ago

A God, he goes by many names across many regions, and in some cases Gods.

4 years, 2 months ago

Then, I'll ask you, why we are all here in this world? How?! Who created people? who created YOU?! Who created nature?! Who created all of these things?! Is it a human who created nature?! Is it possible?! Then WHO?!

4 years, 2 months ago

you can state a religious belief, but dont try to disprove other religions venemously. we should all be happy what we believe in, and live our lives dutifully and kindly

4 years, 2 months ago

To you with what religion you practice yes, but you can't speak for the other almost 7 billion people and over 4 thousand religions.

4 years, 2 months ago

And which God is that?

4 years, 2 months ago
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