The debate "We should force parents to vaccinate their children under the law" was started by
June 11, 2019, 11:10 am.
31 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 15 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
historybuff posted 5 arguments, Nemiroff posted 2 arguments, Potato posted 1 argument to the agreers part.
bernie posted 1 argument, Allirix posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
Potatochiper, historybuff, Nemiroff, JDAWG9693, Raquel24, sssk, kuku, Potato, ShiroSpeaks, DrWho, harkirankohli, Threelip, MADHURA, yoitzflex, swara, sakshi and 15 visitors agree.
hollieg, bernie, Allirix, kingofrubik, boispendaddy and 10 visitors disagree.
umm where do you live that if a parent lets their child play on a busy street that the government wouldn't take that child away? If a parent neglects the good of their child, (by letting them play in traffic) that is grounds to remove that child from their home. We require that parents look after their children or we will take them away. That includes feeding them, clothing them, taking them to school etc. Adding vaccines to the list of things parents need to do for their children isn't that much of an imposition.
We as a society need to make the decision that vaccines significantly improve the health of children, therefore they are mandatory. The prejudices and stupidity of their parents should not be permissible reasons to endanger the health of children.
Food is a fundamental need, vaccines are not. I think we both agree there should be policy incentives to vaccinate your child, but we disagree on the level of enforcement. I think public goods should be taken away, but the child should not be taken away and fines should not be incurred.
Parents make stupid choices for their children all the time. Data shows vaccine hesitancy risks your child's survival, but so does driving a car, playing on the road, swimming in a pool, taking public transport alone, etc. It's irresponsible for a parent to let their child do these things but it's not enough to take the child away or fine the parent. Public goods need to be taken away though because that's the cost of compromising herd immunity.
it's mostly the fear that not all the vaccines are vaccines as opposed to a government tracker or mind control thingamabob. they just don't want to say that in public.
and it isnt impossible to imagine. how many layers of verification will get people over fear of the *deep* state. unfortunately for the theorists, the threat of the diseases are known openly known regardless of how possible the maybe. if you were to gamble on a known will or a 50/50, where would you put your money. these diseases ravaged humanity in the past, it is also a very big threat.
did I mention the disease are a known threat, not a possibility?
I think you are looking at it backwards. If a parent decided they wanted to starve their child to death, we as a society would stop them. The well being of the child outweighs what the parent wants. Obviously withholding food is a slightly more severe example, but the underlying principle is the same. A parent should not have the right to endanger their children's lives.
Additionally, a government has the right to force certain safety requirements on it's citizens. For example, you cannot ride in a car without wearing your seat belt. They are literally tying you down, but the law says you have no choice. You cannot walk across the street wherever you want, you have to cross at a crosswalk. There are lots of ways the government regularly tells you what you can and cannot do for the sake of public safety. I don't see why vaccines should be any different.
I'm all for vaccines and herd immunity but forcing chemical injections is a scary law. Strapping someone down and forcing an injection is too far. Even jail time or fines for avoiding is too far. Just restrict access to public goods like welfare and public schools.
I don't think anyone is arguing that we should force the vaccine on children it would harm. Exceptions for medical grounds would be made. But that is a very small percentage. Everyone else should get vaccinated.
some people have weak immune systems and will catch the disease and some people are allergic to vaccines
Hell yeah. Those weirdos helping almost extincted diseases to come back. That's dangerous for everyone, not just them.
hmm true. But you do have to weigh the harm being done to them by the vaccine against the harm done to them by not taking the vaccine. If they genuinely believe that it is sacrilegious to take a vaccine, then you are causing them harm if you make them take it. If the rest of society has been vaccinated then it would also help to protect those who don't.
I could go either way on the religious exemption. But if they insisted on including one, I could understand why it is necessary as long as it is a real religious objection. We have problems in canada with this at the moment. Parents pretend to have a religious exemption or get a doctor to write them a note exempting them. There is actually an industry in Canada for doctors willing to write notes for parents so they don't have to vaccinate their kids. So making sure the rules are strictly enforced would be important.
There are laws in 2 provinces (Ontario and New Brunswick) that require parents to provide proof their kids have been vaccinated in order for their children to attend a public school.
not sure if I agree with religious exception. while it's true it's only a small minority, they are often clustered together creating whole areas where the immunity is below herd immunity threshold creating local epidemics like the recent measles epidemic in brooklyn amongst the orthodox Jewish community.
Agreed. There are some exceptions I would agree are necessary. There are some people, who for medical reasons, cannot get a vaccine and that should be fine. There are also some groups who have serious religious exceptions to Vaccines and I am alright with that too. But that is like 1% of people. The vast majority of people who don't vaccinate have no religious or medical reason. They just believe the junk science that pushes the narrative that they are somehow harmful which has long since been debunked.
Ignorance of science should not be grounds to risk a child's health.