The debate "What is the real reason the USA hates Assad" was started by
July 1, 2017, 4:21 pm.
2 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 3 people are on the disagree side.
There needs to be more votes to see what the common perception is.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
thereal posted 3 arguments, ThePhilosopher posted 4 arguments to the agreers part.
historybuff posted 2 arguments to the disagreers part.
ThePhilosopher, thereal agree.
historybuff and 2 visitors disagree.
you have yet to make any argument at all. you have managed to prove there are other dictators in the world. that is not an argument for why we shouldn't hate a mass murderer.
Dont worry, im not trying to convince you of anything. I only make a conscious effort to convince people who arent ignorant or arrogant and have an open mind. Im not going to sit here throwing logistics at an idol now am i?
you do understand that it doesn't matter if you write a whole paragraph don't you? you haven't made a legitimate point for why we shouldn't hate Assad. all you have been doing is trying to point out that there are other dictators who are less terrible.
Historybuff, I dont care if you "skipped that wall of text" because you thought it was irrelevant. Your ignorance and arrogance is your problem, not mine. Your family and others will hate you because of it, not me. I mean what are you trying to show by stating that you didnt even bother reading my comment? That youre better than me? Well let me tell you now that youre not. Arrogance is a sign of insecurity so it says a lot more about you and your life than you may think. Feel free to display your insecurities, but I will pray that whatever went wrong in your life is rectified.
Nemiroff, are you aware of the progression of that war? I understand from the other debate that you like to discuss the progression of wars from the beginning. In that case, you should be aware that the barrel-bombing (or alleged barrel vombing i should say) didnt even occur until at least a couple of years after the war started. Secondly, the barrel bombings were not even proven to have occurred under the orders of Assad and the Syrian Military. Thirdly, you say that they dont hate Assad because hes a dictator but because he used his power to do barrel-bombings etc. Well are you aware that the first countries to use barrel bombs were Israel (your favourite country whose crimes youre hell bent on justifying) on Palestine and also the USA on Vietnam? So who are they to be acting as though they are the moral authority? Do they oppose Israel for ITS use of barrel bombs and its other extensive list of war crimes? of course not. How long are you going to lie and lie about everything? In fact no, i think its more ignorance than purposeful deception since i have found that a lot of westerners are indoctrinated to believe whatever their politicians and news outlets lie to them about. Individual thinking is gone.
Saudis don't barrel bomb their people en mass. The us didn't do anything to Assad until he became a mass murderer.
It's less the fact that he's a dictator, and more what he is doing with his power.
I just skimmed that wall of text because it was largely irrelevant.
you can hate people and still work with them. the Saudis are dictators too but you don't see Saudi helicopters dropping barrel bombs on their own civilians.
the issue is that the Syrians rose up against the Assad dictatorship and the regime is murdering as many people as they need to in order to hold onto power. no American ally is barrel bombing it's own people.
Lets assume historybuff, for the sake of argument, is correct. If they do truly hate Assad for being a dictator, why do they support dictators like those that lead the Saudi Royal Family and Qatari Royal Family and Kuwaiti Royal Family etc? The kings and emirs of these nations have MORE power in their countries than any president of a single party state has, since in a single party state the leader still has to consider the opinions of members of his party, lest they replace him with someone else. The most that could happen to a king or emir is that his son or something takes over, in which case the former king will still have most of the influence and power as he is usually the head of the house. But even that never happens. The king or emir stays in power till he dies and is then replaced by his offspring. In such countries, there is no way whatsoever that any citizens outside the royal family can get into power whereas in Syria, a normal citizen can become the President if he joins the Baath Party and rises up its ranks. But the bottom line is, they see Syria as more undemocratic even though normal people can become its leader and an election was held in 2014 but they support absolute monarchy. They even supported absolute monarchy when the dictatorial Shah of Iran was persecuting anyone who spoke out against him, yet the usa fornicated with him shamelessly and viciously opposed the current democratically elected system of Iran once it had come to power. Its pathetic. Literally the first thing Khomeini did when he went to Iran is hold a referendum. But I am getting off subject here, maybe well discuss Iran another day.
No its not, Assad held an election in 2014 where he got 88% support and his opposition got 4.3%
actually it's supposedly 97% support Assad
Also you ****** did you even look up the facts? because if you did, youd be aware that 70% support Assad and want him to stay in power. The stupidity emitted by you is just shocking
And the reason they want a puppet is for the oil...i mean isnt it just amazing how they want to get rid of dictators only if theyre in the middle east but not anywhere else? what about Africa? oh wait theres nothing there. Historybuff is nothing but a naive shitlark who is too stupid for this app.
Are you illiterate? Because i already addressed your pathetic claim. But then again, i also did say that anyone who believes the usa hates assad because of those reasons is stupid so i guess i shouldnt be shocked you believe it. Once again, you goatf***er, the US has supported plenty brutal dictators in the past, many of whom are much more brutal than assad (which isnt hard). Anybody with a brain (which excludes you) is aware that the usa only wants to get rid of assad so they can replace him with a pro- US puppet. Historybuff youre f***ing stupid to the level it reflects badly on both yourself and the last 5 generatioms of your family.
the US hates Assad because he is dictator willing to murder as many of his people as he has to in order to protect his own position.
The US hated Assad because he is not their puppet like the punk a** bitch a** iraqi govt. He looks out for his own countrys interests rather than just do what the US says. The US can pretend that they hate him for being a dictator all they want but theyve supported plenty dictators in the past and anyone who believes the US on a matter like this is stupid.