What topics haven't been talked about

April 4, 2019, 12:34 am

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The debate "What topics haven't been talked about" was started by RandomGuy on April 4, 2019, 12:34 am. 24 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 37 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

Nemiroff posted 1 argument to the agreers part.


Nemiroff, LucyTheDebatorQueen and 22 visitors agree.
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Nemiroff
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fma, like nearly every show, does tackle moral issues (unlike most shows, it does them well). however one piece also tackles similar moral issues in its individual sub arcs. what I was referring to was tackling morality itself, with both versions being shown to have a good, and a dangerous side.

rather then just discussion right and wrong of a certain situation, like every does. it explores moral philosophies themselves, as one of those famous philosophers would do.

FMA is definitely a great show, comparable to cowboy bebop, or any of the many short form greats. but it can't be compared to a long form show in scale and depth because it physically lacks the run time.

likewise, I would say that one piece is the greatest of the long form shows because its individual arcs each can be compared to short form shows. its almost as if they are individual short shows that were simply popular enough to get sequels. and yet, also from the beginning, have a detailed story over all the series. and also stay good, lately even getting better and better.

individual arcs tackle prejudice, slavery, nobility/class systems, perverse leaders, rebellions, the fallout of failed rebellions, propaganda, family (in many ways +/-), extreme loneliness, loss (in quite a few forms), ....

freedom vs order is on a much more meta scale to these situational questions. yet it applies to all of them as well. it's like comparing a philosophical theory to a "what if" question.

I've posted a video on this show several times that I feel really well covers its greatness (with visual examples). not sure if you watched it. if not, would you be interested? it is a bit long for a youtube video ~30min, but it's quite well produced. lmk

1 month ago

FMA definitely has moral issues in it. I can't compare very well with One Piece because I didn't see much of it, but FMA has issues with the wellbeing of the many over the few, self sacrifice, is blood thicker than water, is killing someone a worthy price to bring someone back, are homunculi people if they don't have souls, etc. I, personally, think that FMA is the best TV and book series for several reasons. I can especially appreciate how FMA the anime, the manga, and FMAB compliment each other to grow an ever more expansive and intimate world, even though all three are different versions of the same story.

1 month ago

back on the one piece hype train.
and this post will be tailored to @jdawg as it will be morality philosophy based.

so you saw the early eps, and regardless of the dub, the first 2 short stupid bad guys were a pirate and a marine (although it was a selfish marine, later they become more fanatical for a "just" cause)

ultimately, neither side is good. the eventual world government is an oppressive monster, while the pirates are anarchic calamities. freedom vs order is the nicest way to put it, and to this day we do not know which is the answer or which will be the final enemy. there are final badguy candidates on both sides, not just 1 at a time.

for a while the government was made to be the main badguy, until it went to war with the good top tier pirate. the Gov was the enemy throughout until a pirate stole the show at the end (the most likely main badguy from the pirate side). and on the same page during the arc, you get the 2 main badguy contenders side by side. akainu murdering anyone trying to flee the battlefield, chasing down every pirate, ranting about "absolute justice". and blackbeard just destroying everything yelling about making the world burn.

not even the main characters are typical good guys cause they steal, lie, and refuse to help good people because they dont care about them. unless you hurt someone they consider a friend.

btw, the main badguy pirate isnt even that evil relatively. he just doesnt mind collateral damage. for both main badguys, so far it's a personal beef with grand consequences.

1 month, 1 week ago
Nemiroff
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honestly, theres a good chance I'll just read the manga. anime take too much time for my current schedule.

however, if you do read manga, forget about the one piece anime, read the manga. this isnt about time, the manga is actually vastly superior and much better paced.

2 months ago

FMAB is specifically a retelling of the manga, yeah. Because FMA was being created while the manga was still being written. However, FMAB kinda blows through a lot of things in the beginning that only makes real since if you read or the manga or, even better sense if you already saw FMA

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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season is a loose word. the first bad guy had 2 episodes. maybe 1.

skip usopps arc (long nose), it's very bad the first time across. but do come back later on. 1 very cool side character and some secret introductions to some later on big shots.

skip to the baratie arc. it's the first good one. the arlong arc after is one of the best, but some important stuff happens in baratie. necessary for the world and the story.

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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I am pretty sure fmaB is a retelling that is more accurate to the manga and is far better. I dont intend to watch the original (feel free to convince me) but fmaB is on my watch list.

I'm sure it is a good show, but I'm unsure about the world building. bleach and naruto had minimal world building, but were amazing shows. I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing. there are numerous events and conflicts going on completely seperate from the main cast's journey. the world is alive and organic. and especially now that luffy is a big shot, his actions cause many ripples, and other ripples change his actions and direction (not goal tho). its dynamic, its organic. Berserk has excellent world building, but once again, OP is a different league from any other example.

the downside is it takes time to build and appreciate. but well worth it. I dont care about his goal. I dont want to see a gratifying ending. I hope they milk this as much as they can. I dont want this journey to end. (although I do pity the artist). it is fun, the characters are amazing.

unlike the other top comics, this is the only one with a single story teller and artist. and its 3rd only to batman and superman (and catching up like the flash). superman is over a century old.

2 months ago

I still would say, though, that FMA did an amazing job at world building and it gets even better if you watch FMAB after you finish FMA

2 months ago

I got to the end of the second season, admittedly not far. I could try to watch farther this time, haha

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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how far did you get?
and were you watching the 4kids dub?

even dub aside, the early episodes werent stellar, the journey hadn't really started. it was just some small time nobody beating up backwater wannabes. being over powered and mostly having fun. (fun part is still true, hes in a prison camp of one of the 4 strongest worldwide, and treating it as training) his crew is throwing a coup with other pirates and locals.

skipping to arlong's arc might be good. one of the saddest back stories too.
episode 31 / chapter 69

2 months ago
Nemiroff
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in what way? I never finished FMA, but I would bet HxH and attack on titan had better world building. but OP is a different league on any medium.

in OP, the whole world is alive, always. we are following the strawhats, but there are several others who could be main character candidates in their own right.

since the early episodes, the arcs have gotten far more complex, luffy has become a major player on the world stage, the political intrigue have grown, and many mysteries have been already answered. alliances shift all the time, and luffy has lost or had to run away many many times. the enemies he faces are not in strength order but plot driven, also something that is unique to one piece.

2 months, 1 week ago

I think FMA did a best job at world building for anime

2 months, 2 weeks ago
RandomGuy
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Sounds good.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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how far did you get? and were you watching the 4kids dub? notorious for censorship.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
Nemiroff
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the anime certainly has some problems with filler and pacing, but the manga is great. it starts off goofy, but gets more serious as the world gets fleshed out. definitely the best example of world building of any medium.

2 months, 2 weeks ago

I didn't like it that much.

2 months, 2 weeks ago
RandomGuy
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never seen it. How good would you say it is?

2 months, 2 weeks ago

how one piece is the greatest show of all time

2 months, 2 weeks ago
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