When fantasy and sci-fi are together do you prefer more science or fantasy

March 24, 2017, 10:10 pm

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The debate "When fantasy and sci-fi are together do you prefer more science or fantasy" was started by MrShine on March 24, 2017, 10:10 pm. 6 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 1 person is on the disagree side. There needs to be more votes to see what the common perception is. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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Actually, I have read some decent techno-magic series. An old, and therefore kinda campy, series called Shadowrun had some good books. They were based on the idea that magic was cyclical and that is why history everywhere included magic but, as it's strength ebbed we turned to technology. In the books, it comes back, resulting in conflict and upheaval. Tribal cultures that were less technologically advanced suddenly had means to defend and reclaim their territories (aboriginal and first nation peoples). Added into this is advanced technology both in the form of virtual reality systems and prosthetics limbs to enhance people. It wasn't fantastic, but it was interesting to read the social commentary it made.

Another is the Wildcards series, in which an alien virus mutated some people into monstrosities (called jokers) and gave other people unbelievable abilities (called Aces). It is an alternate history that went through how the Vietnam era could have gone very differently, as well as social commentary on various themes. The series was a collaborative work of many authors, some of whom are very well known for other works.

2 years, 2 months ago
Nemiroff
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I actually haven't seen any of those, but I'll check them out at some point.

I actually forgot to mention one piece which is another good fantasy show with significant social commentary.

2 years, 2 months ago

I haven't seen or read magi, but if you don't mind some recommendations, I would mention Vinland Saga, Shamo, Bokko, Monster, and 2001 Nights. I have a sweet spot for fantasy and sci-fi, but I've got to say 4 out of 5 of my top goals or influences are within the realms of "realistic" fiction. The list is a bit longer, because artists do more than one work, and I haven't finished some that are serious competitors

2 years, 2 months ago
Nemiroff
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anything can have social commentary. magi (anime/manga) had large amounts of social commentary of increasing complexity.

2 years, 2 months ago

Thank you guys for the input, especially Psychdave for specific "why"s in the genres. I agree that technomage bullshit gets old, but I'm not entirely against fantasy using different technologies based on growth/history, or new inventions so long as it is technologically sound or mentioned in passing. It's difficult to make a commentary on technology itself, but it is true that technology and architecture structures the way we think. Also, I appreciate the list of items, though it's a bit difficult to figure what preferences mold them. Nevertheless, good to know what audience the poll addresses.

Do you guys think that fantasy and social commentary is too much of a stretch? At face value when it's an allegory, it can be too preachy, and when a world is created with modern expectations (lack of slavery, racism) it can be childish.

And on the science fiction side, at what point does commentary overwhelm 'hard science' (Hard science being new technology is explained despite its obvious fiction, and the commentary moving past such as in "arrival" and the aliens language or "interstellar" and transcending gravity with feelings. I know these are extreme examples, but for the sake of.)

2 years, 2 months ago

I like firefly/serenity the best

2 years, 2 months ago

Oops forgot about Lone Ranger, etc


It seems i 've a never ending list.

And yes, a handful of Argentinian movies , Japanese , South Korean, Australian , Mexican movies.

I did watch a North Korean movie too. ( i wanted to know about how they depicted US army)

2 years, 2 months ago

oh i forgot about Last of the Mohicans, forest gump, titanic , Life of pi, Pearl Harbour and Tintin series.

2 years, 2 months ago
blue_rayy
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give me your list of fav. movies too.

I want to watch them at midnight during my summer break. Big papa :)

2 years, 2 months ago
blue_rayy
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i hate movies like 'robocop', ' Madmax fury', ' Hunger games ' , ' Wolverine ' , 'Van Helsing ', any movies of super, bat and spider man, Twilight saga , Wall e , Lego movies, Saw series

My favourite movies are ---- Zombie apocalypse movies, Mall cop, Due date, Con air , conjuring , Rambo , Rocky , Zathura space adv. , Crossing, Red heat , Max Payne , James bond series, aliens in the attic , home alone, Jurrassic Park , Bringing out the dead ( cant remember the exact name) , Tremor....oh my god i loved it!!!!!, Transporter, Crank , Death Race, The Expandables , Richie Rich , Final Destination series ( i loved it ) ...., Jennifer's body, The Chronicles of Narnia, Harry Potter, Hitman , Mr. Bean's holiday, Scorpion King , Mummy returns , Indiana Jones and Band of Brothers and a recent movie about dinosaur , Anoconda, phirana , and some wild west movies like Django unchained.

I even watched a australian movie but i forgot its name.


TV series --- Two and a half men , Game of Thrones , Dr House and the middle

America 's Funniest Videos, Just for laugh gags.

2 years, 2 months ago

I hate techno fantasy and future magic.
keep the genres seperate.

I also hate the future sci-fi where we regress to stone age or medieval level. Idk gets me mad. I'd prefer a firefly to a mad max any day.

2 years, 2 months ago

It depends on my mood and the author.

Fantasy has authors like Tolkien, who was an expert at linguistics and building a world with mythos and history. There are others like Brandon Sanderson and R. A. Salvatore who build world's and characters well and generally have excellent pacing to keep the story exciting.

Science fiction has authors like Isaac Asimov and Orson Scott Card who not only build futures, they comment on society and humanity as well. There are also authors like Tad Williams who do just as well as any fantasy author at creating a world full of complex characters.

Both genres have many excellent authors and many terrible ones.

I tend to read more fantasy because fantasy authors tend to be more prolific. When I find an author I like, I often read all of their books. Sometimes (as with David Endings) I find that they repeat themes and stories which gets old quickly. Others, like L. E. Modisett write different worlds, create unique stories and develop characters over long series (though there were also some themes repeated between the Recluse and Imager series).

2 years, 2 months ago
blue_rayy
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great answer. However i prefer fantasy

2 years, 2 months ago

I love a fantasy that make scientific sense for an advance future.

2 years, 2 months ago
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