The debate "Which is more scary eternal nothingnessagree or eternal happinessdisagree." was started by
September 26, 2015, 9:43 am.
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At the moment I agree with you that, since consciousness ends with death, there is no experience to fear after it. The reason I still agree with the topic is that it doesn't actually ask what we believe happens, just what is more scary.
However, I believe that you and your consciousness cease to exist after you die - therefore you do not exist to the experience eternal nothingness.
everything you are saying is applicable to any theist, even those out of your religion.
And they say the same of you. If you have no more proof than they do, there is no more reason to believe your claim over theirs.
yes, they do, but their not right.
I'm pretty sure other people feel the same way about their God.
lol that sounds like a child saying my dad can beat up your dad. there is no more evidence for your religion than any other religion. so saying you can be certain yours is the "true" religion is rediculous.
not trying to trash other religions here. but my God is the one true God.
What if you are half right and you have a soul but picked the wrong God? Questions like that are meaningless since there can be no resolution.
if you are right, yes, but what If you are wrong, and I'm right?
When you die you won't exist, you won't know, because you just keep repeating statements that I already know about the mythology, and one you're dead, well, you're dead. You don't have a soul. We are just cells, and when we die, the cells stop reacting. If it wasn't that, we wouldn't even be considered life.
when you die you immortal soul will live forever, in heaven or hell, and you will know.
Also, I won't even know I'll be dead. Why? Because I'll be freaking dead.
Well, God's timeless, right? And he wants to help his followers, correct? If he didn't, then believing would not matter about getting you into heaven at all, and he wouldn't answer any of the prayers of his followers because he's not a slave. And he can instantly do it, since he's timeless and omnipotent. And Jesus states that whatever you ask for in prayer you will get? Why won't that include money? Oh wait, he's not in Heaven.
actually the church prays for people, like me to give them money. God is not our slave, he does not do what we wabt, but what he wants, in prayer we ask God what he wants for is, or to help someone with something. asking for money to appear is not prayer, it is telling God what to do.
Proof that you really don't believe. Because of prayer, the church should be praying for money. The fact that you are giving the money shows that the prayer never worked. Next time, give the money after the prayer works.
Regardless of you going to heaven or hell or whatever, I should ask you this:
Have you ever given money to the offering plate?
The Corporal Works of Mercy
Feed the hungry
Give drink to the thirsty
Clothe the naked
Shelter the homeless
Visit the sick
Visit the imprisoned
Bury the dead.
this is one of the ways jesus will judge you.
the bible 10% is what abraham gave to the priest. it seems like a good number today to, if you can afford it.
Also, not having a house is not starving. The homeless need a house, hence the "less"
Where did you get that number?
over 10% as you are supposed to.
So how much have you donated to the poor this year?
we all can't give. then no one would receive, the poor don't want the phone they want shelter clothes, food.
what would happen if everyone gave everything? disaster. God calls some people to be on phones, computers doing business. God called the man in the verse to sell all his stuff.
well, giving your phone is not starvation, so you directly deny your master.
He is calling you to help the poor, but not by starving yourself to death.
What makes you think he isn't calling you to help the poor?
to that one guy, not to everyone. like jesus called peter to follow him, but other fisherman he wanted to continue to fish, and convert, but stay fisherman.
But Jesus directly says to sell each of your possessions. Is this not clear?
I'm unsure of this but I think that was personal between jesus and that 1 man. Jesus in now in heaven so I can't follow him, by walking around with him.
what would happen to me if i did that? I would starve. you need to live for your body and protect it. for example if I'm playing a sport and a ball comes at my face what should I do say "I live not for my body" BAM ball breaks my nose or block it? we need to take care of our body on earth. selling everything today would cause us to die of starvation.
Though he asks you to do this so you can go to heaven. If you don't do this, according to Jesus, you are unworthy of heaven.
why, I read mt 19:21
God decides if your sins are worthy of hell or not. we all sin, but we all don't go to hell.
If you ask why, just read Matthew 19:21.
also, I'm not hating God. It's impossible for me to hate something that I don't think exists.
Also, if you keep debating, then it is certain you aren't going to heaven.
So if you sin at all you get burned in hell for eternity? I still don't think God is just.
nope, that is not right. the just punishment for turning away from God, hating him and such is infinite punishment. has nothing to do with finite or not.
so finite crimes mean finite punishment
I would rather him be a just God and make those who are evil go to Hell and bring them out after they have served the right amount of time for their punishments, like murder gets a bigger punishment than a simple touching of a football.
so what do you want God to let evil people who hate him to go into heaven?
And also, according to you, finite crimes (to God) means infinite punishment. That's not a just God.
you have said you don't want God, so why should he want you? you say God is unworthy for not liking those who hate him.
I'm not saying your going to hell; if you are are a great person, and do good things you still have a chance at purgatory and then heaven, it depends on the mercy of jesus.
the truth is none of us are worthy of heaven. St. Paul even says he can only hope for heaven.
now were you raised atheist or did you convert from another religion. If you know God is real and do not convert you can't go to heaven. if you continue trashing God and catholics, hating on us and stuff, God may not like that.
and if I'm going to Hell for being atheist, then God is unworthy of my worship. He would only look at how I accept the supernatural, not my morality.
that perfectly happy must be divided by infinite...
it the thought of nothing that is scary,
God is the only one who knows how to make us perfectly happy infinity. unless you know more then God you are wrong.
And eternal nothing ness is less scary because you don't exist at all. You can't feel emotions.
If we take an amount of happiness (like getting a promotion happiness) in Heaven, we must divide it by infinite (as in infinite heaven ness) because the more time you are happy, the less you are happy. Anything divided by infinite is so close to zero we can easily round it down to zero.
Being happy generally means you get what you want or whatever you get or experience is always positive from your point of view. Well that means you will always be content. Then why would one feel like being imprisoned if he/she is always content?!
if you got a choice.
or not be happy
if you are sane you should chose to be happy. Heaven is happiness, happiness with anything you want, and God. why would you want to leave heaven. what you are arguing is taking a good point of heaven you can stay there forever, and turning it bad.
no one would ever want to leave so no one will leave. people cannot leave hell, or go from heaven to hell, this we know from the bible.
I can't think of anywhere that it is written that people can't leave heaven. They don't say you can but that doesn't mean that once you are in the door locks behind you. It may just never come up so no one mentions it in the Bible.
But it's still confinement. I may be kept in Heaven if I were to go there and it would keep me happy, but I'm still staying there forever and ever and ever.
a prison is for bad people, like hell, heaven is for good people and no one in heaven will ever want to leave. angles and God, jesus, Mary have left heaven and appeared to people.
if I can't leave heaven is it a fancy prison?
Explain how if I can't leave it is not a prison.
don't get what your point is and how it relates to the question.
if we were never sad how would we know how to appreciate life itself same goes for being happy
How did this become an argument about god from a thing about eternal nothingness???
Yes he knew it is a sin to kill example Cain and Abel. He delivers justice to the evil. What good person did God kill? Ten commandments are for us. Not God.
This does not mean God can sin, he can't because he is all good.
Yes, but he knows what the ten commandments will be, or else he is not Omnicompetent
The soul was made is God's image.
The flood wiped out everyone bad, gave them justice. God can kill the evil whenever he wants. Now he likes not kill people on earth as much. The flood wad also before the ten commandments.
Well, creationism is that God created us, so he DID drown millions of his own creations. If we were made in his image, we would be good. Then he killed all of them in a flood except for 7 people and 2 of each animal. He gave Moses then ten commandments, then he proceeded to kill those who questioned his belief. "Thou shalt not kill" was ACTUALLY one of the commandments.
Plus, of we really were made in God's image, we would be invisible. Because you cannot see him, as YOU said.
Finally, agnostic is not its own thing. If you believe in God, you are theist. If you don't, you are atheist. If you CLAIM that there is one/not, you are gnostic. If you don't claim, you are an agnostic theist/atheist.
Neborn babies in Sodom were to be taught by evil people. Abraham got the few good people out of Sodom.
Jobs family came back. Rose from the dead by God.
Sorry, that should have been Job, not Lot.
So there were no newborn babies killed in Noah's flood? No young children died in Sodom without ever getting the chance to become good people? Lot's family deserved to die in order for his faith to be tested?
" Nothing unclean shall enter heaven" Revalation. purgatory is where we are made clean and wiped away our sins. If there is no purgatory no one besides Mary and Jesus would go to heaven.
God was just what good people did he kill? He delivers what is due to the just. now he delivers it to the evil after death.
Also, is God the "good guy?" If you read the entire Bible, he kills about 3 million people. If you see Satan's kill count, it is 10, and with God's permission. God, as you said in the other debate, is unchangeable. He's evil, more than Satan.
Could you point me to where in the Bible it talks about purgatory? Having read it I don't remember ever seeing a reference to a third option.
God can do all things, make new things. You only need God to make you happy. God is happiness and love. eternal nothingness is nonexistent but if you don't want heaven you can have hell, the devil will be pleased with another soul to torture.
I would still rather not exist after death. I really want you to see it in a new way. You live forever and forever and forever. Go outside the box for at least a little. Why is your religion the right one? I agree that the Christian God is not forgiving. I know that it is impossible to have eternal happiness, even if you can't see that Heaven is pretty impossible on a lot of levels. Tell me exactly how heaven produces the chemical reactions to keep you happy forever. You still can't escape. If there's eternal nothingness, YOU CAN'T FEEL SCARED! You won't exist anymore! Only your corpse and the thought of what you did and what others think of you exist then! Realize that religion provides "answers" that are being replaced by what we are learning about in science.
There is purgatory where you grow closer to God and make it to heaven. God is forgiving and merciful, if not no sinner would go to heaven. You can choose to acept his grace or not.
That doesn't sound like a very forgiving God. Even Islam believes that hell is not forever, only until you have paid for your sins, then you get to go to heaven.
You do not want eternal happiness. You refuse God's grace.
You refuse to be with God after all the sins you've commited.
Let me tell you something God will never let you even close to heaven if you do not want it. He will put those people in hell, which there is no escape from the endless tourture.
Eternal nothingness would be more scary, but there is no proof that eternal happiness is the actual alternative. While I understand that the app forces a two choice question, there are also equal possibilities of reincarnation or any other religious afterlife to the Christian belief in heaven and hell.
I think living eternally in general is just scary. If we just cease to exist, we don't have to keep going and going forever. It would be infinite. You could never escape, no matter how hard you try. If you have nothing after, you just escape. If God does exist, and he really is forgiving, I want to not exist after I die. I would maybe want to meet people I know first, then ask him. Because if I can't, that means he's not forgiving. If I go to hell, he's not forgiving. If I can't do something because of something finite I did, I should not get infinite punishment. This is like the 8th amendment of the USA.