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You are completely missing the point. They are trying to get the picture across. This guy was a hero to the Iranians, therefore they have to retaliate now that he has been murdered. You can't properly inform people if you don't tell them what the Iranian position is. I get that Fox news would never, ever do that. But they aren't an actual news outlet.
"More Americans might die. You are dealing with ifs. Actually the general might not have committed some killings if he hadn't gotten a pay raise by Obama."
lol this statement is hilarious. The US government said he might have done some stuff, and that he might have done some more stuff in the future, so the US had to commit a murder to prevent that hypothetical stuff. But i'm the one dealing in ifs for telling you that the Iranians will counter attack? Please come back to reality.
More Americans might die. You are dealing with ifs. Actually the general might not have committed some killings if he hadn't gotten a pay raise by Obama.
If Iranian media talk positively about him, fine. The problem is the American MSM.
Lol did you check that source? It is a saudi news station. The Saudi's would absolutely love America to go to war with Iran. It is in their best interests. They provided no sources, no info. It is just a still photo of people on a street. So they provided no proof and they are an extremely unreliable source.
A poll of Iranians found that 82% of Iranians viewed Soleimani positively. He was, by a wide margin, the most popular political figure in Iran. To the Iranian people he is the man that defeated ISIS. He is the man fighting against american imperialism. He was a national hero. And america just murdered him.
You are correct that no more americans will die at his hand. But many, many more will die because of his death. America has turned him into a martyr. He was seen as a brave man fighting to defend Iran from Sunni extremists and American imperialism. To have him be assisinated by America only confirms the things he said. Iranians will rally around the flag at this blatant attack on them. it strengthens the hand of the government and the hardliners and makes it impossible for them to ratchet down tensions. They have to respond with blood.
If we had waited for the general to die in a car crash many more people and Americans would have died by his hand. Now no Americans or other people will die at his hand. If this drives Iraq into Iran camp then they were never allies anyway.
Iraqis celebrate death of general.
"a national hero"
To who? Not the people of Iran, but the evil, terrorist regime.
"Love It that you take an evil Iranian governments word over the Secretary of the US and the head of the Joint Chief of Staff."
The president of Iraq announced that he had a meeting scheduled with him the day he was killed. This information is coming from Iraq, not Iran. I did get the info slightly wrong though. It was a discussion trying to defuse tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Please provide evidence of these "cakes" and and glad people. Everything I have seen is protests and anger. I would imagine there are some people who are happy about it, but I mean, there are probably US soldiers who are going die because of this that are happy about it too. Being happy about it doesn't mean it wasn't stupid.
"Even all the left wing media were glad he was dead (they just aren't happy Trump did it)."
That's the thing though. No one in the media is sad he is dead. If he had died in a car crash they would be happy about it. The fact that america murdered a member of a foreign government (and a national hero) while he was on a diplomatic mission makes this a complete train wreck. Circumstances are extremely important. And pretty much everything about the circumstances of this murder are terrible.
"Also I will say, then, that it is good we get out of Iraq if it is true that Iraq was trying to be friends with the largest exporter of terrorism that has killed many Americans."
This is just insane cognitive dissonance. America invaded Iraq for pretty much no reason. They then argued, "well sadam was a bad guy and now iraq will be good, so it was worth it". America is now being thrown out of Iraq because they won't stop murdering people and you want to spin that as a good thing? This murder has empowered the Iranian government and pushed Iraq further into Iran's orbit. That is the exact opposite of what the US wants.
Also I will say, then, that it is good we get out of Iraq if it is true that Iraq was trying to be friends with the largest exporter of terrorism that has killed many Americans.
"And the kicker on top of that is that Soleimani was in Iraq because he had an appointment to meet with the Iraqi prime minister that day to discuss Iran's answer to a diplomatic offer Iraq had sent to Iran."
Love It that you take an evil Iranian governments word over the Secretary of the US and the head of the Joint Chief of Staff.
And still, the Kurds and Sunni's in Iraq and based on video footage and pictures of baked cakes many Iraqi people were glad for this generals death.
Even all the left wing media were glad he was dead (they just aren't happy Trump did it).
I support the kurds having their own state. But that is a completely separate issue.
You are arguing that the Iraqi people are happy about the attack. The majority of the population are Shi'ite. They don't want the US unilaterally deciding who lives and who dies in their country. The Iraqi government ordered the Americans to stop carrying out bombings in Iraq without their approval. The US then almost immediately assassinated an Iranian government official inside Iraq.
And the kicker on top of that is that Soleimani was in Iraq because he had an appointment to meet with the Iraqi prime minister that day to discuss Iran's answer to a diplomatic offer Iraq had sent to Iran. The US government essentially just murdered a diplomat thus preventing Iraq and Iran from talking to each other.
This is not the action of "defense" that the US government wants people to believe. This is murder and terrorism.
The Sunnies and the Kurds (which I thought you were for) in Parliament didn't even show up because they didn't want to kick out the US.
The Iraqi people are sad the US is leaving.
The Shiite Parliament are, the Iraqi people are not.
What? The Iraqi's are getting ready to ban all american troops from the country over this betrayal.
PS The Iraqis are doing the same.