Why are people so easy to believe in Aliens but deny GOD

April 2, 2016, 6:35 am

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The debate "Why are people so easy to believe in Aliens but deny GOD" was started by Maximus on April 2, 2016, 6:35 am. 19 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 21 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

fadi posted 1 argument, Maximus posted 3 arguments, bennie posted 11 arguments, Sosocratese posted 6 arguments to the agreers part.
Skeptical_Hedonist posted 1 argument, Pugsly posted 4 arguments, LeviRay posted 1 argument, bennie posted 1 argument, Anjali posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

fadi, Maximus, sierra1462, Sanjana, Sosocratese, bennie, idonteatthat, ElisaXO and 11 visitors agree.
Skeptical_Hedonist, Pugsly, Cannon2cool, LeviRay, rbu, ProudAmerican888, burntoast2000, Anjali, RyanWakefield, JanavanRooyen, cancer_wins, Jason9374, openparachute and 8 visitors disagree.

becuz aliens are real ??

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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OMG! I never said that the reason the earth will change its rotation because of the poles shifting, I said its because of the core changing its rotation. believe me don't believe , I dont care. I'm just hoping someone could find the documentary. Maybe it's how I write that makes people confused of what I'm saying.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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No, I keep saying do.your research

3 years, 3 months ago

I went through this with him in another debate. He's claiming it's some sort of discovery Channel show but can't find any actual reference to it.

The only reference that I could find about the topic was a hoax article someone wrote claiming that NASA discovererd it. NASA has come out and refuted the claim stating they had made no such discovery. I could find no primary sources to support any of his claim in the scholastic databases. I could find no mention on it on any of scientific review sites (scientific America, sciencedaily, physics, etc...)

I would therfore suggest that this is likely a case of false information.

I'm not accusing Bennie of anything malicious, I just think he got some bad information. Hopefully he'll concede this point rather quickly.

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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You may have seen the research into the poles reversing, since that does happen, but that would not reverse the direction of the spin.

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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The problem here is that you expect us to take your word for something that you cannot prove. I have never heard of any research about the earth changing rotation direction.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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One day this is going to happen then people will start saying they believe but it will be to late, its like a bell ringing school is over no more exams.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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I said that it will change its rotation, clockwise instead counterclockwise. Scientists proven this and documented this, but know I was searching for so long for this documentation I can't find it anywhere, there's no news about it nothing on the internet nothing, I can swear that its a conspiracy. It makes no sense, the first time I saw this video a few days later I wanted to show a friend of mine and couldn't find it, I swear on my life I'm not lying. But I'm good that was the first time ever in my life that I was sure.

And when the start of the expansion of the universe occurred everything was spinning in high speed as time went by everything started to slow down.

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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Where did they say it used to spin the other direction? If you are going to claim that they have changed their position due to religious prejudice you had best have something to back up your opinion.

3 years, 3 months ago
PsychDave
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The speed at which the Earth rotates is not connected to the speed at which it orbits the sun. If the Earth used to orbit faster, it would need to be closer to the sun for gravity to be stronger to avoid breaking orbit and sailing off into space. Spin speed could not account for biblical figures living hundreds of years.

Beyond that, we are talking millions of years ago the speed of the earth's rotation was different and changed gradually. The change from 5000 years ago to today would be much, much smaller.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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evidence for what?

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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not necessarily, if the speed of rotation of the earth was extreme, so it would be around the sun , because of the big bang, explosion in the beginning of existence.

3 years, 3 months ago

evidence?

3 years, 3 months ago

but if it was 6 hours a day, there just would be more days in a year, the rotation of the earth couldn't have affected the year length, since a year is the time to orbit the sun.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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six hours really, so that explains how people aged to hundreds of years in those time like Noah, and they did say it will start spinning the other direction, now because it supports the Qur'an it won't, that's real professional of them.

3 years, 3 months ago
Sosocratese
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if anything, the discovery channel contradicts your statement....
http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/earth-may-spin-faster-as-glaciers-melt-151214.htm

Penn State astrophysicist Kevin Luhman explains: our planet has "almost certainly" spun in its current direction, the speed of the spin has changed dramatically over time. "When the Earth was born, it was probably spinning about once every six hours, so the length of a day would have been only about six hours back then,"

The only real way the Earth could start spinning in the other direction would be if there were a massive collision, such as with another planet.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/03/what-would-happen-if-the-earth-spun-backward/273864/

Again...I could find no scholarly articles on the subject. There is not a single primary source (even NASA) to verify your statement.

3 years, 3 months ago
Sosocratese
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Again, that one statement doesn't verify anything. Post a link to the article since I can't find anything on my scholastic databases to support your statement.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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the Discovery channel

3 years, 3 months ago
Sosocratese
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That doesn't address the larger issue of there not being any scientific evidence to verify your claim....

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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wrong, there is no deadline to when.it will happen ; )

3 years, 3 months ago

-there are billions of stars in our galaxy
-millions of them have planets
-thousands of them could be habitable
-and there are millions of galaxies
-and there is evidence of possible other universes
-to say we are the only life is foolish

as for God
-there is no proof
-Bible stories can be explained my natural events
-religion is too full of hypocrisy
-it's hard to imagine some one whose so powerful and can do anything but is happy to let so much pain and suffering exist

3 years, 3 months ago
Sosocratese
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This is nonsense. This same "prophecy" is part of the Koran and was supposed to happen in 2012 and again in 2015. When that didn't happen, they pushed it back to 2017. One sure fire way to spot a "crack-pot theory" is to see it fail again and again with the originators making more and more excuses as to why it didn't come true....please provide your sources so we can evaluate your claim further if it's not the same claim.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/watchtheskies/venus_transit.html
---This is the often misquoted article used by the Muslim world to substantiate their claim that the sun would rise in the west.

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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I have proof that god exist, the evidence to this is a prophesy that yet have not been fulfilled, the prophesy is that the sun will rise from the west and when that happens everyone will believe, but it will be to late.

scientists have discovered that the earth core have changed its rotation from counterclockwise to clockwise, they also predict that one day the Earth will change it's rotation as the core did, and because of that the someone no longer rise from the East it will rise from the West. you could go online and do your own research. "the cure to ignorance is to ask why"

3 years, 3 months ago
bennie
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I think I've been misunderstood, I never said that the universe doesn't have a beginning or that we don't have elements found in stardust. And I did not say that I don't accept the possibilities of other life-forms, what I have said is that the possibility of other life-forms should be equally accepted as a possibility of a Creator.

3 years, 3 months ago

Bennie, I'll start off by saying I'm a Christian. I believe in God, but I believe God triggered the Big Bang and left it to unfold from there.

We are made up of the elements made in stars, there's no denying that.

Statistically, it's impossible for there not to be life in just the OBSERVABLE universe. Think about the rest of the Universe that we can't measure.

Faith is called faith because you need faith to have it. God doesn't need evidence, just faith. I don't think we can ever prove God's existence, but I do think we can continue to explore this Universe that he has allowed to exist. I think we should keep developing our technology and find other life and settle on othe planets. I don't think you should worry about whether the God you're praying to is real or not, you're obviously faithful to him and that's all that is needed.

3 years, 3 months ago
Sosocratese
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we know that the only process by which heavy elements are created is through nuclear fusion. We know the only place that nuclear fusion occurs is in stars. We know the only way for the heavy elements to exit the star is for the star to die. Therefore, stars must have died in order to give us the heavy elements life is based on......Not sure what you want proof of; do you want to see that stars form heavy elements? Do you want to see that stars expel those elements at their death? I'm sure I can find any number of references that would prove this statement.

3 years, 3 months ago
Pugsly
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wheres the proof.

3 years, 3 months ago

"Forget Jesus, stars died so you can be here today" Lawrence Krauss

3 years, 3 months ago

Everything on this earth are from the same elements from a star. All the elements you see in the periodic table came from an exploding star. Its crazy. I know.

I accept the fact we dont know why the big bang happend or where it came from; and know theres a chance we may never know. Theist believe their God created everything and tend to use our ignorance of our world as proof for their specific god. And this has been going on since we were ignorant of natural occurrences we see today.

Theres no proof for and against the existence of God. So it should belong in the same category of other beleifs we dont have evidence for or against.

3 years, 3 months ago

People believe in aliens because of the statistics. We know the elements we are made of came from a star. There are billions of stars in our galaxy; and billions of other galaxies. We are the proof that each star can create potential life.

We know as far back as the big bang. What happend before the big bang? Nobody knows for certain . Everything that lies outside what we are able to prove are beliefs.

Many say such complicated design cant come from nothing; but by that logic the designer is even more complicated and has to come from something. So if something cant come from nothing, then where did God come from?

The belief a god created us is exactly just that; a belief. Everything outside of what were able to prove are just beliefs. Atheist doesnt make any positive claims, but rather rejecting one. I dont believe any extraordinary claims without sufficient evidence. If a magician showed me a trick i wasnt able to explain, Im not going to automatically assume its magic. And when someone tells me their god is real with no evidence, and if i dont believe its real he will send me hell with no evidence; i become a skeptic. . Im considered an atheist simply because God falls in a long list of things I dont believe in. Thats it.

3 years, 3 months ago
Pugsly
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Theirs proof that I have parents. Because I know how it works. Plus, I came out of my mother. I can see her, touch her.

3 years, 3 months ago

people believe the possibility of life forms there is no proof of life forms, no evidence.
Those people who accept the possibility of other life but not the possibility of a designer to that life, which both possibilities are great in percentage, are simply ignorant and scared to have a purpose in life other then submitting to there own desires.

They say people who believe in a creator are actually saying that "the universe just popped in to existence" Richard Dawkins

wrong! people who believe in a creator are more rational then those who don't, because those who don't are in fact saying that the universe came into existence by chance that it just popped up to existence.

Its like saying that a house build itself.

3 years, 3 months ago

A planet must meet a certain requirement in order to obtain life. It has to be in the habitable zone ( close enough to a star to be warm and far enough away to avoid burning ) NASA has discovered planet Kepler that is in a habitable zone. Very likely that it contains some form of life. God has absolutely no proof. Faith is believing I'm something with lack of evidence or no proof and that is simply ignorant.

3 years, 3 months ago
Cannon2cool
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yes there isn't proof, but science shows that universe is VERY large and denying other life forms would be absurd. on the other hand, based on my knowledge there has been no proof of a certain gods existence

3 years, 3 months ago

evidence because mainsteam tv mislead you and told you that a grey with big black eyes is an "alien" and not the demon in default form that it truly is?

3 years, 3 months ago
Pugsly
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"You believe in something with evidence your f***ing retarded. You should believe something that has none."

3 years, 3 months ago

Because, if there's life here there is a very good chance we're not alone. But, a invisible sky daddy that made everything is more likely. Yeah, seems about the same.

3 years, 3 months ago

that kinda seems like you are not interested in believing their is a creator for everything like your mother & father created you and her mother and father her. But also, since there is alot of space, there has gotta be something living in it.

3 years, 3 months ago
Skeptical_Hedonist
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The idea of aliens seems to me to be at least moderately probable given the immense size our seemingly infinite universe. It is actually very unlikely that Earth is the only planet in all of existence capable of supporting any form of biological life. However, the idea of an omnipotent Super Being capable of magically speaking the universe into existence seems far less credible in my opinion

3 years, 3 months ago

I think with the Project Blue Beam and the privacy of Area 51 being a horse and pony show more less; It is likely a diversion/distaction. When something is real, and dangerous they ask for your help and give detail(Ex: looking for a suspect,...etc).

3 years, 3 months ago

Because both are based on probability arguments.....for now at least.

So the two arguments we're presented with are:
Is it probable that in the entire universe, with an estimated 200 billion galaxies, each consisting of another 100 billion stars, life only came to be once?

Or
Is it probable that an entity exists which defies nature (supernatural), is all powerful, is all knowing, and yet has taken a special interest in our little spec in the vastness of the universe.

Now, let's look at the sub arguments for each.
If life can arise naturally, then it is probably that life would arise elsewhere through similar processes.

Or
If life cannot arise naturally, then it is probably that life would not arise elsewhere.

So we look at the evidence. Evolution is a fairly complete theory of speciation. Missing a few details, but looking at the evidence for it there is little doubt to anyone who studies biology of its soundness. Now, evolution is just a theory of speciation, not abiogenesis.

We don't yet have a theory of abiogenesis. However, we are making great strides in on. We have discovered self replicating proteins, we have discovered various chemical processes which give rise to the organic chemistry required for life. Along with that, we have discovered RNA replicating proteins. This all means that we have discovered the likely structure of early cells, and have figured out natural processes which allow them to be simpler than previously thought. We have synthetically produced such cells, but that's as far as we've gotten.

Now, for God...
We have scripture for the most part. Now, if we take scripture literally we run into all kinds of self defeating problems. So we can dismiss that notion there.
If we take it as a series of poems, myths, and epics to convey a general message from a supernatural being, we can reconcile some things. However, this also means we have no idea of figuring out which parts are meant to be taken literally and which not. So we are left with a set of moral teachings, but no actual information about our history.

I'm not going to go into too great a detail about the evidence for both as it would take way too long.

But, I hope this will let you see that if someone tends to error on the side of natural causes for events, that aliens seem much more probable than a supernatural being.

3 years, 3 months ago
fadi
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well if you believe in aliens which has no scientific proof till now and do not believe in god you are really weard with all my respect

3 years, 3 months ago
president
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@danielle

watch the show 'ancient aliens' you would love it. broadcasted on history tv18. or download the shows from youtube.com

3 years, 3 months ago

cos there's actually evidence for aliens but literally none for God!

3 years, 3 months ago
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