The debate "Why are we debating about God All you are doing is offending people" was started by
April 30, 2016, 12:34 pm.
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steel sharpens steel either ur beliefs will get stronger or weaker. either way ur better than u were
Generally I enjoy debating religion because while it is frustrating sometimes it is also interesting to see how other people see the world. I learn more about beliefs and the people who believe them. It is occasionally frustrating when we disagree over fundamental things, which cam lead to people who don't have solid arguments to become insulting or to repeat blatantly false statements.
Frequently I debate neveralone about such things as I debated Alex in the past. Both are willing to debate without it devolving into insults and taunts, which is why I continue to debate them rather than simply ignoring them. If all religious people were willing to argue like that, there would be less hate directed at religion.
On the topic itself, we are debating about religion because it is relevant to morals and laws. Same sex laws, abortion laws, freedom of speech and many other things come from religious beliefs. In some of these things, some parts of society's morals and religion's morals now disagree, and in others there is debate. When this happens, it is relevant WHY people feel as they do on the subject. If we couldn't discuss religion, the merits for banning same sex marriage become very hard to argue as the main problem is that it was defined by God to be the union of a man and woman. Excluding religion from the conversation means that religious people can't express their feelings and their opponents can't rebut them, leading to resentment and anger on both sides.
This clearly shows the strength of your argument. You don't have a logical position, so you use childish insults.
as far as I know every time somone says their offended either the other rewords it or explains there true meaning. also by debating it u r either going to do one of two things. strengthen your faith or weaken it. my has gotten stronger personally
thank u I can accept that
We should respect religion and just be able to debate about it.
by that "book" as u call it says to accept everyone with love even when they don't deserve it like when they insult an entire religion. we may not be perfect but if we took the Bible which is the word of God and also talk to Jesus then the world would be how u want. because in our faith we aren't supposed to judge u like u have done to our religion, we accept ur opinion and we have our own that may not agree with
A dictionary is just a book, a painting just a picture, a friend just a person, a beginning just an end.
Just can mean much more to one person then another. Just a book transformed into just a religion, which transformed into just a way of life. Religion is a way of life for the better if taken how it is supposed to.
it causes people so much hate. I wish it never existed so the whole world could figure it out together other than reading a damn book and trying to live off it.
don't debate with buff about religion. he'll argue 2+2=5 if he hears a priest say 2+2=4.
oh, pardon me plain not plane.
Your intellectual capacity is about equal to that of a child who is facinated by his toes
Go to the website inplanesite.org buff. You may find an interesting read. Also, you have already made it clear you have no tolerances for any religious so debating with you is pointless.
-What I was saying was a fact. Christainity does not tell you to go out and murder people who disagree with you. Who's fault is it then? Not religion's fault. It is the fault of human's lust for power and control.
-Your most likely a walrus. Go play with your small balls your owner gave you.
there's no talking to brain washed sheep. no matter what a religion does, no matter how much blood it sheds you will continue to blame human weakness and allow it to continue. If you want to believe that your religion is perfect I can't stop you, but thousands of years of history prove you are wrong.
Religion does not tell us to go out and kill people who disagree with us. It tells us to spread your religion with love. Well, atleast Christainity does. I thought I had to point that out.
-Religion does not do bad things. People's lust for power and greed does that. Every was caused by creed and the lust for power/control not religion.
Christainity tells us not to be greedy and do not murder. How can you certainly say religion does bad things, when it clearly does not?
religion does bad things. I am not saying I didn't say that. the world would be a better place without it. but don't put words in my mouth. just because you can't follow what I'm saying without making wild assumptions about my beliefs is not a flaw in me. it is a flaw in you.
You act like it's all religions fault buff. Don't play the oh I didn't mean that card when you know you said something stupid, over and over.
again I don't understand the confusion. religions are responsible for terrible things (witch burning, crusades, inquisitions etc.) they are also responsible for wonderful things, the sistene chapel, beautiful artwork, education etc.
saying religion is responsible for terrible things does not contradict my statement that religion has been good and evil.
Look at your second quote I showed, so how can you say both and expect me to believe what you just said is what you really meant?
how are you not getting this? I'm not saying religion is ALL bad. it has up sides and it has down sides. over time many of the benefits it provided have been taken over by government or science etc. but the downsides haven't disappeared. so it now causes more problems than it fixes.
I do see that it's not a bad thing. Those are things you said buff. Then you go off and say the complete opposite in another argument, do you even know what side you stand on here, because you say "religion isn't bad" then 5 minutes later you say the exact opposite.
Im still not saying everything is wrong with religion. religion has had some major up sides throughout history. but it has out lived it's usefulness for the most part.
and religious people do fall back on flawed logic and reasoning when they cannot back up their arguments with facts. if they can't defend their point then they use faith as an argument.
I don't see how you continue to not understand. religion is not a universally bad thing. it can be used for good purposes as well. but most of the good purposes we needed it for are now obsolete or done by national governments.
"I didn't say God was the reason for hate. I said religion was."
"All religions are responsible for horrible things."
"Religion doesn't have to tell people to do bad things, to be a bad thing."
"Religious people always fall back on flawed reasoning or denial"
-All from HistoryBuff
Remember you never said anything is wrong with religion, except for everything is wrong with religion.
Oh, this debate is 40 hours old.
Nevermind, it still totally worthed it to write a smaller essay on it!
The point of debating about religion is that at the end of an idealistic debate either you'll see that your arguments are supreior to the other sides arguments, therefore your beliefs are firmly strenghend.
Or you'll either find that your arguments are significantly poorer than the other sides, therefore if you are honest to yourself, you're being obligated to think about the reality of your beliefs, and you'll also have the opportunity to change them to be closer to the truth.
Or you can either decide that the uneasiness what you feel about your beliefs now, after being proven wrong, is not actually the sign that you need to change them, as they were proven wrong, but it's rather the fault of the people who debated against you, and they're suddenly really offensive. Which is also an oponion what YOU'RE ENTITLED TO but IT IS HYPOCRITICAL.
So overall whether you were right in a debate, or wheter you were wrong you can really gain a lot out of it (if you're fully honest to yourself and to others). In this case the reward of the debate is either self-assurance or the opportunity to draw your beliefs not just on religion but on any topic closer to the truth.
The only way a debate can turn out bad, is if the debaters on any side instead of being humble and accept, if one of their points or their whole argument is incorrect, are being too proud and start acting or speaking, let's just say uncivilizedly, and it can turn out really bad when the otherside let's itself to
be dragged into it.
So overall does debating about religion worth it? With the right atittude definetly yes.
Does trying to get others to stop debating about religion have any use? No! There will always be proud people who don't care about their argument being logical and simply want to force their oponion on others. These wont stop continuing on draging down logical arguments from both sides because of a questionably logical but interesting argument to stop debating about religion because it can be "offensive".
On the other hand it'll discourage people who have logical arguments what could really forward interesting religious debates from presenting their arguments as they're scared that they'll be viewed as being offensive.
Also my phone is on 2% right now and if I loose this I'll be really upset.
are you ever going to tire of outright lying? or do you even bother to read what I write? I have never said everything is wrong with religion. I have never said only religious people hate. in fact I said the opposite. clearly your touchiness is clouding your ability to comprehend what I say.
Religion is a touchy subject.
Why would anybody be offended it is useless tho
It's how you say it Ryan. I understand science and I understand how both science and religion is intertwined but every time it comes up buff tells everything is wrong with religion and only religious people have the ability to hate. He just makes sure he can gang up on people who don't have the same belief as I do, where the two are intertwined. How can anyone say a belief is wrong? The "theories" buff uses as his evidence he denies the play of religion in it.
To summarized what I'm saying is buff will say evidence supports this or that, while religion doesn't have evidence, but a lot of theories derive from religion. Buff you only talk about what supports your side leaving out the other half.
if you have such a problem with debating things, why are you on this app?
Because you aren't passionate about something.
except I'm not offended when someone has different beliefs. I use facts and evidence to show why their beliefs are directly contrary to facts. they then get offended because they want to believe what they were raised to believe no matter what the facts are.
You do the same buff.
if you are set on your oppinons and completely unwilling to think about them, then why are here? debate apps are all about different opinions. you are clearly unwilling to listen to views you disagree with so by all means go to a Christian chat room. you will find lots of people who completely agree with you.
because instead of somebody saying what they believe in and the opposite party saying okay and leaving it be, they want to say okay here's why you're wrong. Frankly you will never change a person's belief though
I am tired of it! I'm a believer, and I'm happy with my life! If you don't believe, don't go trying to change people's opinions! All you do is offend people. your not making a difference.