The debate "Why do men hate feminists" was started by
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im an airplane mechanic, and my manager and superviser are female, i do not resent them and they do beling there, they are good at their job.
no, i hate feminists because they're sexist against men.
(most) men hate feminists because feminists tend to blame everything on men, just because they are men, either that or some men tend to go into feminism and tend to hate themselves for being a man.
peope like me hate feminism because its blatantly sexist tword men and do not accept their conversation topics, and they treat men like animals rather then human beings.
feminism isn't about equality, egalitarianism is.
stopbEgA say that really fast
you see men at jobs and you see woman. The thing is that when a wonman accomplishes somthing people are like oh wow. But when men accomplish some thing people are like watever. When men think about this it really can make them dislike wommen at high places in society.
I bring data to rallies. But, that aside, I've been to groups, like planning and activist groups, and just random people whether at places or people on the streets. I can only remember three people who claimed themselves as feminists who were able to actually hold an intellectual and useful discussion (two at a rally, by the way) who had either facts/statistics and/or proposed solutions that were more than "women ate oppressed; you fix it." And, while it is true that every conversation I've had with a self-proclaimed feminist is an anecdote, when all but three have been closer to either a radical or just an idiot, that definitely starts to warp one's opinion on the group
Eeh, supremacy is a big claim that feminists don't believe in... but in regards to a patriarchy and self empowerment, the views are a bit warped, so misandry is certainly possible. Misandry does not put men on an equal level.
Claims against a patriarchy are leveled on bystanders who don't involve themselves in the debate. Considering how popular the wage gap myth is, and how words such as "manspreading" and "manslpaining" can make it into the Merriam Webster dictionary -there is a considerable ideological leverage that suggests men are the origin of the issue. Rather than addressing deficiencies in good make role models, there's also a perpetuated myth of 'toxic masculinity' that combines immaturity and maliciousness and makes a foundation as if harassment is the norm rather than an exception - conditions be damned. See how well the Gillette commercial was received?
Once the definitions are made out, they fulfil their own framework, so even if there is a toxic behavior that leverages masculinity or it is possible to explain something as a man the simplest idea exists without nuance or argument.
Self empowerment in media either misses the mark by selling the masculine indifference as stoicism in female characters or hams up the trait for a quick buck. Or risk-free sex, but that has enough nuance for a conversation in itself. Empowerment in feminism, as taught in a college class I took, made a claim that anyone would desire but does not exist in a perfect world: that men should not ____. The blank can be rape, harassment, anything terrible. But terrible people do terrible things, and they know it; yet as a society that is not condoned or ignored. Empowerment does not come from ideals alone.
The instructors and coordinators mocked precautions such as "avoiding parks at night" or "litmus nail polish" as prudish things men say to chastise victims. If that isn't ideals over empowerment, I'll need that explained to me. I know, it's just one class with two instructors, a TA, and various multimedias, but I think there's a structure to the chaos.
Challenges against a nebulous patriarchy, self fulfilling definitions, and warped empowerment should not be taken as hate- it's natural to speak out against something that appears to be wrong. Isn't that what feminists are doing?
and where do you see feminists claiming supremacy besides random youtubers with tiny followings or alt right fake news exaggerating those anecdotal youtuber examples.
Americans need to learn how to think critically. this is embarrassing.
Supremacy is not equality.
noone provides data at rallies. big crowded hype trains are not the best places to provide data. usually rallies are calls to action, hopefully after the information was already presented.
if I take 2 people, a man and a woman, and do a program about how on average men are stronger then woman... but then it turns out that the 1 woman I have on the show is stronger then the 1 man on the show, does that mean by general fact about men being stronger then women is false?
your video sounds extremely anecdotal.
There is a YouTube video I saw a couple years ago (I think it was vox who hosted, but I don't remember) where there was a white guy and a black woman of roughly the same age and level at their companies. The whole thing was suppose to show how much more a white guy makes than a black woman; they were talking about what they thought the difference would be and why, etc. Then, come the big reveal and- she made, like, 20,000-30,000 more than him annually. It was very funny to see how hard they back peddled, but that kinda stuff is a big reason I don't like many people who claim to be feminists. Because, and this has also been much of my personal experience at rallies, protests, groups, and just random encounters, they will go on and on about how this or that is unfair and, most of the time, will give no data to support it and/or give no solution and/or when you give data from the other side they will confirmation bias so hard you'd think you're talking to a fundamentalist.
every group has whining victim claiming idiots amongst them. Republicans elected one president. can you provide evidence that feminists en mass hate males and fake oppression? or is this just based of 1 or 2 stupid youtubers with few followers and highlighted by fake news?
i hate feminists that use a false narrative of feminism to whine incorrectly about how they are oppressed. feminism in itself is a morally good thing, but alot of modern feminists have turned it in to a male-hating click of whining people who pretend to be oppressed
Then you meant to ask why do some men hate women? I'd say because many men use female supremacists as examples of feminism without realising the distinction.
This is for the males who do.
if women dont highlight their concerns how will those concerns be addressed?
I argue that is (100%) equality is the way, but feminism is not going to help us get there & that's IF we're not there already.
This claim is far too broad to lead to much discussion, because all that needs to be said is that not all men do, and however many do, who knows what percentage they make up. But is say the most likely reason is that they don't know much about feminism, they only hate certain kinds of feminists or parts of feminism, and also because there are still a lot of men who think women actually should be considered lesser and subservient to men.
I'm a man too & I don't hate feminists but I will say that I hate feminism
I'm a man and I don't hate feminists