The debate "Why do people hate Islam" was started by
June 19, 2017, 1:18 pm.
23 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 22 people are on the disagree side.
That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.
thereal posted 9 arguments to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 1 argument, SalonY posted 1 argument, Nemiroff posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.
RestlessDreamer, thereal, qqqq and 20 visitors agree.
AverageGuy, SalonY, FactMan, will8688, Nemiroff and 17 visitors disagree.
Also, as a side note, I suspect that Christianity's hard line views were a result of the conflict between secular and religious authorities. In Islam, the "head" of the church, if you could call them that, was the same person as the head of the state, the Caliph. As a result, the church largely served the needs of the state.
In Christianity, you had one particular priest trying to seize control of the church as a whole. That being the Bishop of Rome, or the pope as they would start to call themselves. The pope also managed to make himself his own little kingdom in Italy. The pope also started fighting with the secular rulers of Europe. The secular rulers wanted to be in complete control of their realms. The pope wanted to dominate them as much as possible. That conflict lead to the church being as hard line as possible to give the Pope, and the church, as much political and religious authority as possible.
That at least is my thoughts on the subject. It is certainly a complicated subject spanning about 1500 years. So that is a bit simplistic.
I suspect the rise of Atheism is more about wealth and education. The origin of religion was to explain things they couldn't understand and to give them some level of control over things they couldn't control. EX, sacrifice a goat to Ceres to make your harvest successful.
In the western world we are largely past these problems. We understand most of the things they used religion to explain. (the weather, the seasons, why the sun rises etc). And our significantly increased standard of living and social safety nets make it less and less necessary to pray to a deity for help. When you don't have enough food to survive it is easy to turn to a deity for help. If your main problem is you don't have quite enough money to get that new SUV you want, a deity is not required.
Western countries have the highest standards of living and education in the world. So they are the 1st to see the rise in atheism. But if you look at south america, they are christian too, but still very religious. I think as more of the world starts to see an increase in standards of living that will come from increased automation and technology, there will be a much larger rise in Atheism.
and Islam is not special in this way. I really think christianity may have ruined the idea of religion in the west, leading to the rise of atheism rooted in its lands.
Islam and Hinduism actively promoted science and exploration without censorship. although once again, it may all be geopolitical. unlike other faiths, christianity mostly existed by itself without neighbors. the other religions may have been tolerant by necessity while christianity was a spoiled only child, unable to play with others.
Nemiroff is right. Islam has historically tolerated other faiths. Christianity on the other hand did not. Any religious minorities in christian countries were typically ruthlessly suppressed or forcibly converted.
Muslims on the other hand didn't do this as often. There are still examples of it of course. but Muslims typically took a lighter hand to converting people. They just made it easier to be Muslim. There would be a tax (Jizya) levied on people of other faiths. So you could worship whichever god you wanted, you just had to pay the tax. You also couldn't rise to any sort of significant government related positions. Over time people would naturally convert to make their lives easier.
Christians tended to forcibly convert, kill or expel religious minorities. For example, when the 1st crusade captured Jerusalem, they killed every muslim they could find. Men, women and children. They wanted the city to be only for Christians. When the Muslims retook it a century later, they spared everyone who lived there and allowed the local Christians to continue to live there.
Religious extremism derives from the situation of the people, not the religion itself. When Muslim countries were wealthy and powerful (they were much wealthier and more advanced that Europe during the period of the crusades) then they are able to be magnanimous. Violent, extremist sects of Islam became much more popular after WW 1 when their countries were largely impoverished and in ruins as Europeans carved them up for money and power. The British also empowered the house of Saud (saudi arabia) which pushed for a religiously extreme version of Islam. And they still do to this day. (wahhabism)
I do believe there is objectively a clear difference. and I'm not saying Islam is particularly tolerant, rather it is christianity (in practice) that is exceptionally intolerant.
every religion has had it's bad moments in history, but I cant think of A SINGLE moment in Christian history when it welcomed other faiths. (modern era exception being driven by secularism, the horror when we elected a catholic, still Christian, president not long ago)
forget tolerating other religions, christians couldnt tolerate other Christian's for an literal majority of their history. Islam, along with most other Faith's, co-existed with others frequently. there was no better time for European Jews then Islamic Spain, and Asian Faith's frequently coexisted for millenia.
While I do agree with your second point, Islam has definitely not been historically more tolerant than Christianity. Neither has been good
Islam has historically been far more tolerant of others then christianity with its inquisitions and constant warfare.
could the modern situation have something to do with geo political situation after WW1 when England did its old divide and conquer trick like it did with India and Pakistan, creating fake countries and borders and leading to constant local conflict? hmmm...
because its very violant religion and they have zero tolerance towards other religions.
again I have challenged each of ur debates and in each one you just try to be insulting. I would prefer an actual debate and also I have put a counter argument on each then YOU run away. I'm just curious what you get out of trolling since there isn't anything worthwhile in it
We both know thats not true loool, you run from debates like a bitch.
so why exactly do u troll? I don't see the enjoyment and it feels pretty sad. if u think this is insulting it's not supposed to be I'm just tired of the ridiculous statements and would prefer an actual debate.
Twisted truths? says the retard who knows nothing about the Bible loool. you are a disgrace to Christians and if Jesus was here he would stone you himself lmao
See...No religion is Bad and people hate none...Its some people of particular ill mentality having negative motives become terrorists and make others believe that particular religion is bad...in the name of religion who spread terrorism he can't be called a religious person at all...
u teach nothing. u know twisted truths. ur mind is warped. I half believe ur mentally ill flea. and yes I don't lie. it's really not that hard.
lmao my ignorance on the bible? i TAUGHT you about that book loool. you just lied about not lying lmao what a bitch! go f*** a goat, dog-child!
I do not lie. it is a sin. though taking in account ur ignorance on the Bible I forgive that Flea.
lol. their is only one not 5. it makes u look like a preschooler. try to seem a bit older flea
and dont try to hide your flaws by saying you "shortened it" as though you were meant to do it, that lie may have worked when you tried to f*** the goat in her pussy, but it wont work with anyone else!
really, what did i misspell? llooooollloolol dumbass goatf***er cant even read hahahaha! you seem to be getting more stupid by the day! in fact you dont seem to be, rather you ARE!
also you again misspelled. try again flea.
I shortened it so you could understand. try again
you do realise you misspelled that loooool.
u do realize u misspelled that.
wow... lol just lol.
lmao bitch, ill repeat myself- TRY FYCKING ENGLISH! You dumb dumb your comment didnt even make sense. eat dick, pussy!
ur right people r laughing. their laughing at the pathetic attempt to insult and satisfy an ego with nothing to back it. u r a flee celebrating conquering a dog that doesn't even know u exist.
his English is fine. your insults just went from childish to nonsensical. your regressing again.
are you a mental Benjamin Button?
what? lmao BITCH TRY ENGLISH NEXT TIME LOOOOOOOOL!!!
again a sad attack. the people attacking Islamic faith are scared. their faith doesn't matter. try logic next time.
The amazing thing is that the so-called Christians who hate Islam, if they knew shit about Christianity, would see that the religions are very similar and any criticism they fire at Islam is usually also a criticism at their own religion. They just havent read shit-all of their own holy scriptures to know it. When an angry Christian attacks Islam, the question to ask is not "what do you know about islam?", but rather "what do you know about Christianity?"
It depends on the person.
Some people hate Islam because they see the most extreme members and judge the whole group by them. While it is understandable, it doesn't accurately represent the more liberal and moderate members.
Some people don't actually know much about Islam and hate Muslims because they are afraid. They see the media reports on attacks and violence and, having nothing else to judge by, they are disproportionately afraid. There is a risk of attacks and violence, but the over saturation of the media exaggerates this risk.
Some people have had bad experiences with a Muslim or Muslims and generalized this to the entire group. Again, this is understandable but unfair to many.
Finally, some don't really hate Muslims but see a gain by saying they do. By creating a shared enemy, they bring people together. This helps some businesses and politicians.
There are likely other reasons I have not listed, but those are the main ones I have seen first hand.