Why dont Christians become Muslim when the Bible prephecises Muhammed

June 28, 2017, 9:08 am

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The debate "Why dont Christians become Muslim when the Bible prephecises Muhammed" was started by thereal on June 28, 2017, 9:08 am. 5 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 6 people are on the disagree side. People are starting to choose their side. It looks like most people are against to this statement.

thereal posted 13 arguments to the agreers part.
neveralone posted 5 arguments, SalonY posted 1 argument to the disagreers part.

thereal, Nemiroff and 3 visitors agree.
slh92, neveralone, SalonY and 3 visitors disagree.

show one insult I did.
you have shown nothing. you talk a big game but when actually looked at you say nothing.
I don't try to teach on deaf ears. that's actually a verse in Psalms. a book in the Bible about wisdom. you should read it sometime. as for a verse that shows Jesus being the Messiah it's rather plainly put. Mark 8:29

2 years, 1 month ago

Unfortunately brother at this stage there are greater matters at hand in this thread for you than your childsh insults. Such as the fact that you basically abandoned everything that Christianity actually believes in because you didnt want to believe the things that the bible actually tells you to believe in, which i also provided evidence for (something you didnt do even once). Your faith is in fractured pieces and since my religion teaches mercy, i will let you reconfigure yourself from this clearly traumatic experience of religious enlightenment. Just remember, every loss is a lesson so do not be disheartened. Take it as God's way of bringing you closer to the right path, which is Islam. I wish you the best.

2 years, 1 month ago

you do realize you started the insulting and I actually never started insulting people on this debate?

2 years, 1 month ago

Well. The opposition has resorted to their default setting of childish insults so i guess this debate has concluded and the victor is clear.

2 years, 1 month ago

Well its Equal To Why Don't Human Become God As all D religion emphasis HIM

2 years, 1 month ago

you remind me of another snowflake on this app...whats her name...nemiroff, thats it!

2 years, 1 month ago

Knowledge? from you? hahahahahahahaha at least you have learnt a sense of humour and used yourself as the subject because you know that youre the biggest joke around! Theres no point in me saying much else since youre already crippled at this stage by the arguments which have already been presented to you by the other guy. I dont kick dead animals and I also dont want to give you an opportunity to run like a bitch like you always do from his arguments.

2 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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*so
actually I have proven plenty of knowledge and yet again instead of debating you try to troll.

2 years, 1 month ago

lmfao stfu neveralone, youre a piece of shit goatf***er whose father shouldve swallowed them. youre a disgrace to the already embarassing christian community since you know nothing about your si called professed faith.

2 years, 1 month ago

haha. the only emot "emotional outburst" I have is laughter. though u seem to easily mistaken a lot of things. also I have in fact counter ur arguement. it is right below urs. and I u seem to have little knowledge of myself since no ur wrong I was not born into it I chose it. why? because I believe it's right. there are no delusions besides the ones u produce. the road to Christianity is forgiveness instead of killing people or being sexist.

2 years, 1 month ago

You must refrain from emotional outbursts, I know this is hard but the truth IS hard but in the end it will save you. I know your heart amd mind are fragile at the moment but you did not counter any of my claims with fact. I give scripture, you give tears. The reason youre unable to counter is plain and simply because your claims are baseless, wrong, and youre in denial. Dont worry brother, you lost this argument long ago, ever since you ran out of arguments and started calling me "thereal". Your opinion is truly irrelevant on any intellectual debate at this stage since you have shown your true colours of being an immature child frankly. Your accusations are the last attempts of a dying man, just as the destruction of the Al Noor Mosque was the attempts of a dying terrorist group. May Allah guide you to the right path. Finally, the reason I am so confident that my religion is right is because it is. Unlike you Christians, we Muslims are not munafiqs or pretenders. You are only Christian because youbwere born into it. You can lie about it, as you seem to enjoy doing, and say you werent but it changes nothing. Nobody who knows anything about Christianity would become Christian. The conversion road to Christianity is full of deception and lies, as you have proven.

2 years, 1 month ago

have you ever watched Lord of the rings?

he is a man. men die for us all the time but Jesus died for us and took our sins. yes he did but death is death. we can put on a brave face but it still sucks especially being nailed to a cross. I try to follow God the best I can. I will never be ashamed of that. what I would be ashamed of is accusing people of not following God's will since last I checked God didn't just teleport by ur side and told u that ur way is right.

again showing urself to be the real. Jesus wasn't there to be praised on. that helps no one. I have done nothing wrong so no he won't do that.

already have done the 2nd challenge. and u obviously just want to push ur agenda so why should I try?

2 years, 1 month ago

Yes, your arguement seems very logical. I mean who wouldnt think it logical to compare the life of men who lived and ruled for decades to the life of a man who preached for a maximum of 3 years? Also I didnt say that they did the most good. YOU said that Jesus did more than Solomon and David, which is false because Jesus didnt even have the power to enforce the will of God like Solomon and David did. Though he was a great prophet, unfortunately Jesus' effect on the Jews was extremely minimal compared to that of his predecessors.

Also, no, Jesus didnt die for you. He didnt want to die. If he did, why would he say "father why have you forsaken me?" when he was on the cross? Didnt he know what would happen? Wasnt he omnipotent? Wasnt he omniscient? You should be ashamed of yourself for throwing such ungodly attributes and properties to God and comparing him to a human! Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus say he was to die for people's sins. If you disagree, quote me of you have the honour and decency within you.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam all promote heavily the importance of worship towards the one true God. I know your knowledge on the Bible is not of the most bountiful in volume, yet surely even you must be aware that the VERY FIRST COMMANDMENT BY GOD TO MOSES WAS "I am the Lord your God, thou shall have no other gods before me."?! Surely even you are aware of this. Yet you lie to yourself and others and say that Jesus didnt tell people to worship him because it would be "prideful"? Are you serious? Well how about Jesus didnt tell people to worship him because HES NOT GOD? Surely you must not believe that the lord almighty will not punish you in the afterlife for such abominable, deceitful, criminal accusations towards him and his righteous prophet? God commands death for less than that which you have said in the Bible!

You now have among you 2 challenges. The most recent is to provide a SINGLE verse where Jesus himself said that he is to die for people's sins and the second is the previous challenge to provide a single verse where jesus told people to worship him etc, which you feebly hid from.But if you admit that those false verses you proclaimed to have been in existence are in fact baseless claims, I will forgive you for such dishonesty. However in the future you must refrain from performing zealous acts of ignorance and ensure that you have back up for your claims.

2 years, 1 month ago

yes king soloman and David. u know what happened to them? they both fell from Grace. one out of pride the other lust. yet Jesus had no such flaws. just because ur a king does not mean u do the best good. Jesus went and healed the common folk physically, mentally, and spiritually. he taught them what God wanted and ultimately died for all of us.

u misunderstood what I meant by that. there is a very simple story near the time of Jesus's death where I believe Paul asked Jesus who he was and he said u know who I am and Paul said the son of God. also I never said he asked to be praised that would be prideful.

2 years, 1 month ago

Wait...youre serious? well my lord...i was of the belief that you were excreting that nonsense as a joke of some sort! Well in that case, i must educate you inshallah.

Firstly regarding your claim that just because God said this and that doesnt mean he wont do so and so is fundamentally flawed because if you had read my post, indeed you would be aware of the blatant apparence of the fact that i made no such claim. Rather i said God HAD carried out that prophecy and the proof is Muhammad PBUH. Comprende?

Secondly, your claim of Jesus having done more than any of them is hilarious. I would give you a prize for such a comedic spectacle, seeing as you proclaim that a man who only preached for 3 years and then was "killed" did more than somebody like King Solomon and King David who ruled over their people with the justice of God for many many years. Indeed your false claims are amusing.

Thirdly, your claim that Jesus said he was "God's direct son" arouses my suspicions as to whether or not you are ignorant or just a plain liar. For anybody who has read the Bible knows that NOWHERE in the Bible does Jesus ever proclaim to be the biological son of God and nor does he claim to be God and nor does he ever tell anybody to worship him. Such a foul, preposterous accusation of shirk will indeed be punished by the lord on the day of judgement inshallah. Yet if you insist otherwise, provide ONE SINGLE VERSE where Jesus himself said "worship me for I am God" or something of the like if you are truly sincere and not deceitful in your intentions. I could provide you multiple verses where Jesus HIMSELF (not Paul) said to not worship him and that he is not God. My challenge to you is set; produce one verse.

2 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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I take it that you don't have an argument.

2 years, 1 month ago

Hahahaha, I take it youre not being serious.

2 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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that is technically not true. God has a time for everything. just because he chose not to do it then doesn't mean he won't do it. Jesus did much more than any of them and said he was God's direct son. and back then anyone you felt a strong bond like a fellow warrior could become your brother and is used often to simply encompass a group of people.

2 years, 1 month ago

Well, if you read his initial comment in response to you, he didnt insult you at all in this debate. he only started chikdishly insulting you when you childishly insulted him first.

Regarding the topic, there are many issues with your claim.

Firstly, if it was talking about jesus, surely it would have said God will raise a prophet "from among them" rather than "from among their BRETHREN". Secondly, even if your claim was right and it was referring to a prophet from among the israelites, it wouldnt be about Jesus. Do you know why? Because this verse was from God to MOSES and there was a 1300 year gap inbetween Moses and the birth of Jesus. Jesus was not the next Israelite prophet after Moses. There were many Israelite prophets inbetween Moses and Jesus such as David, Solomon, Ezekiel, Elijah, John the Baptist, Isaiah and more. So by your logic, that verse could be about literally ANY one of those prophets (as well as some others whose names i cant remember) because theyre all Israelite prophets. From that we can see that there had to have been some extra significance to that verse and it had to have been referring to someone more distinguishable than the long line of Israelite prophets who came after this verse. God wouldnt have said he will send A (singular) prophet to the Jews from among them if he was going to send loads of them in the following centuries. This clealry shows it is a reference to someone from "among their brethren" after which their will be no more prophets i.e. Muhammad.

2 years, 1 month ago
PsychDave
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As to your argument regarding the topic, I have heard that before. What I haven't heard is why you wouldn't consider Jesus to be raised from their brethren. Your interpretation is valid, but even without the revisionists changing the Bible it is not the only explanation.

Jesus was raised from amongst the tribes of Israel, so he could be considered to have been raised from their brethren. He also spoke in God's name.

2 years, 1 month ago
PsychDave
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I debate people with the same level of respect they treat others. If you present arguments, even if I disagree, I will remain respectful and debate them. If you constantly insult the debater rather than address the argument, you have demonstrated that you don't deserve to be treated with respect.

2 years, 1 month ago

Im sure he would present his argument if you didnt engage the debate by calling him an idiot multiple times. An insult that you would expect from an 8 year old, maybe younger. Basically somebody who hasnt hit puberty. Its just pathetic and not befitting for an individual who claimed the other to be the troll.

Anyway regarding the debate, yes, the Quran does prophecise Muhammed and its one of the things that led to my reversion. There are various verses throughout the Bible which prophecise the coming of Muhammed (PBUH) but Christians have incorrectly took these verses to be referring to Jesus.

One of these verses is "I shall raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him"(KJV). Now, the Christians have incorrectly took this verse to be talking about Jesus and they have even changed the newer versions of the Bible to say "from among their fellow Israelites" so that the translation is completely changed when in reality the Hebrew and Greek versions dont say that. Thats why i use the KJV since its a literal translation. Anyway so it is widely known among those who have a decent stockpile of knowledge on Abrahamic faiths that the Israelites are the descendants of Abraham's son Isaac and the Arabs are the descendants of his eldest son Ismail. Hence Ismail and Isaac are brothers and their descendants (the Israelites and Arabs) are therefore brothers i.e. brethren. In the verse that i quoted, God is talking about the nation of Israel as a whole and says that he will raise a prophet from among their BRETHREN (Arabs) and he will put his words into his mouth. Now this is a clear reference towards Muhammed PBUH and not Jesus because Jesus is from among the Israelites, not from among their brethren, the Arabs. Also, Muslims are aware that when Gabriel appeared to Muhammed, he told him to "recite", to which Muhammed replied that he was illiterate. Gabriel then proceeded to proclaim some verses from God, which Muhammed was to repeat. Hence, God was putting his words in his mouth.

2 years, 1 month ago
PsychDave
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Still no argument to support your position? At this point it is quite clear you have none. Hiding behind "it's not worth it" might work if only you could stop posting such long, rambling responses. Since you are bothering, it is just that you are aware your position is fundamentally flawed.

2 years, 1 month ago

Oh yes, there is aclear issue- its called a goatf***ing hypocrite of a Christian! Incase your brain gears werent turning, that was quite an ibvious reference to you and your goat fornicating ways!

2 years, 1 month ago
neveralone
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so arguing with yourself. well the first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have one flea.

2 years, 1 month ago

Dave...you are worth less than cowshit! If you had basic knowledge of biblical and quranic scriptures, i would consider debating. but right now,me arguing with you would be like arguing with a 6 year old child who thinks hes won lmao.

2 years, 1 month ago

I mean ignoring the fact that you dont know anything about religion in the slightest, the fact that you thought your opinion mattered is astounding in on itself.

2 years, 1 month ago

lmao you attacked me before i attacked you at all in this debate, goatf***er! Have you forgotten? Did all the goatshagging and revenge inces you committed damage your memory? loool. I dont lose debates, Im just above you and youre too stupid to comprehend anything containing more than 2 bits of knowledge. Frankly youre not even worth me trying, cow shit would have more value and use to me than you, at least i could use it as fertiliser. you on the other hand are like an old computer from WW2 era- slow and shit!

2 years, 1 month ago
PsychDave
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That's two posts without any attempts to defend your position. That is why I consider you to have conceded this debate.

Do you believe that the Bible is divinely inspired and predicted Mohammed?

If not, why do you expect Christians to believe it?

You also haven't in any way shown that the Bible prophesies Mohammed. Without that, you really have no argument.

2 years, 1 month ago

I mean ignoring the fact that you dont know anything about religion in the slightest, the fact that you thought your opinion mattered is astounding in on itself.

2 years, 1 month ago

lmao you attacked me before i attacked you at all in this debate, goatf***er! Have you forgotten? Did all the goatshagging and revenge inces you committed damage your memory? loool. I dont lose debates, Im just above you and youre too stupid to comprehend anything containing more than 2 bits of knowledge. Frankly youre not even worth me trying, cow shit would have more value and use to me than you, at least i could use it as fertiliser. you on the other hand are like an old computer from WW2 era- slow and shit!

2 years, 1 month ago
PsychDave
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So again you give up on the argument and attack the person instead. You concede so many debates that way.

2 years, 1 month ago

Ye haw!

2 years, 1 month ago

Lmfao why are you so angry today? that was so uncalled for! What happened, did daddy f*** you and beat you again?! looool bitch stfu just cuz yo pops leaves you with a sore booty doesnt mean you have to take it out on other people! Just do him like you do the goats!

2 years, 1 month ago
PsychDave
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No, but you apparently are an idiot. If you believe that the Bible prophesied Mohammed's life, that means you believe it is supernatural. If you honestly believe God predicted Mohammed, why have you not professed your faith in Islam?

If you don't honestly believe that the Bible contains divine predictions of him, why would Christians believe it?

Either you believe the Bible is divinely inspired and predicted Mohammed, but you still reject the religion, making you an idiot, or you do not actually believe it but think Christians should without any evidence, making you an idiot.

2 years, 1 month ago

I mean I know my extensive knowledge of the Bible may make it look like Im Christian, and i am flattered by your implications, but no. Im not Christian.

2 years, 1 month ago

erm...because Im not Christian maybe? You see Dave, if you read the title of the debate, it says that why dont CHRISTIANS convert to Islam if the Bible prophecises Muhammad. Well heres the bombshell- Im not Christian!

2 years, 1 month ago

If you honestly believe this, why aren't you Muslim?

2 years, 1 month ago
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