The debate "Why is UK fully not republic" was started by
March 28, 2016, 3:11 am.
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RyanWakefield posted 13 arguments, president posted 1 argument, Sosocratese posted 2 arguments to the agreers part.
president, RyanWakefield, R_o_h_i_t, Sosocratese, ReedMurphy, djchivers and 8 visitors agree.
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thanks maximus, don't worry about the apology! we all have debates we get passionate about! I get mad when talking g about vegetarians haha!
Surnames are cool, mine is Irish too! they can tell you alot about where you come from haha
I know that the toughest one or the leader of my specific pack was named Christoff(spelling?). He left Germany with a bunch of people and went to England and someone who had something ultimately to do with myself ended up in the US circa 1920ish.
Thanks man. i really appreciate it. Danielle kinda subconciously pointed something out for me. I was being nasty and she continued to not be. I owe her a huge apology as well. Hell I owe everyone one.
As to your apology, I'm more than willing to let past arguments be. I was quite critical as well, and I apologize for the tone of my responses too.
That's really cool. My family is Irish. A little German mixed in, but almost entirely Irish. I've seen the family tree my great grandmother kept that goes back 15 generations or so before her and there wasn't anything really exciting. Lots of farmers, some local politicians, and not much else. Lol.
It was interesting, but as far as I know nothing too exciting.
I know that there is a book floating around in my family that someone said we were pirates(because there were boats or ships involved), LOL. And the person that said it swore up and down and the funny part is that they were adopted into the family saw some of it and assumed. I found out through time that my family originated with the Saxons(who fought the vikings), thus explaining the boats, the area we are from, the last name, etc. To be honest I think the person that said that may have been a fan of pirates of the carribean.
as for the name it has "Guardian" in it.
i came in here like a bull in a china shop. I would not listen to me in that situation.
Dave first I want to tell you outright that i apologize.
I'm curious, but I don't want to ask you to give your last name since I wouldn't be comfortable giving mine. Could you give a rough explanation without giving out personal information? If not I do understand, I'm just curious by nature.
so we were not lucky in that way i think
I don't know. My family protected important people from what I was told and the meaning of my last name.
you could be distantly related then haha!
Originally, My family are from Saxons.
if you don't mind me asking where are you from? you could be related too haha
I didn't! you've got me! that's something I didn't know.
found this about wills and Kate. Although I'm not sure if it's really that big a deal. According to my family tree I'm distantly related to Charles II, he was known as the merry monarch and had lots of mistresses and one of them had a baby who eventually leads down to me haha!
morovingian or something..
Also, Isn't Kate a Windsor by blood?
Did you hear of a connection between the Bushes and the Windsors?
thanks, sorry I don't mean to sound big headed, it's just nice when a debate comes up and its about stuff I actually know haha! :)
wow! That is truly impressive!!! ; ) Good stuff!!!
the queen full name is Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor. Her surname is Windsor because that's where she was born. However their origional surname was sax-coburg however during the war George V changed their surname during the war. The queen had a sister called Margaret.
The queens father was George VI (although his actual name was Albert Frederick Arthur George Windsor), however he was never supposed to be king, his brother Edward abdicated after 325 days as he wanted to marry a divorced woman) this meant the queens father had to get over his stutter (the kings speech) He unfortunately died in his 50's meaning Elizabeth became queen at only 25 years old. She married prince Phillip Mountbatten on Greece. and they've been together since then.
They have four children, Charles prince of wales, Anne the princess royal, Prince Andrew duke of York, Prince Edward earl of Wessex!
I could go on! I even know the kings and queens from William the conquerer till now off the top of my head! ;)
Ok. I gotcha. That's right.
she's part German, I know, and yes they changed their name during the war.
honestly I'm not trying to be big headed but genuinely the monarchy is like the one bit of history I like.
Where is the Queen from?
haha! you wish! you know the royal family is actually something I'm really interested in so I know a lot about it, from William the conquerer until now haha.
nop, but apparently slightly more than yourself.
oh really, and I guess you know everything about the royal family do you!
danielle, if you think they use their money for good.. I got some jarred farts to sell you for a million a piece.
you don't have to be a king to start a charity
I should hope they do pay taxes, since they get millions of pounds of public money
admittedly it's quite a biased source, but the facts are there
this is more trustworthy about what the next king does http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/the-prince-of-wales/the-princes-charities
yeah, that looks like a reliable source lol
I don't know if you know this but the royal family pay taxes too! And I didn't say they have no power I said they do which they use for good.
Because it's a Monarchy and the queen owns everything.
I don't think it's fair that the Beckhams and Kardashians will have a lot of money from doing nothing. However one major difference between them and the royals is that they're using their parents money, whilst the monarchy uses YOUR money. And as for your comments about how they don't do anything wrong and have no power, you might want to read this https://republic.org.uk/what-we-want/facts/prince-charles-routinely-lobbies-government-ministers
because you believe it's unfair they are born into a life of luxury? Becasue they aren't the only Rich people. The Beckham's kids are always gonna have money, the kardashians! and they have no talent!
The monarchy are a symbol of Britain, the whole point of it is that is a family. The crown is passed down the family. They don't do anything wrong so who cares?
Like I said, the prime minister runs the country not the queen. although she might have stuff to do with it ultimately he's called the prime minister for a reason.
I wouldn't want to change it and I don't know why you would want to?
I've already explained why
why can't we change it now? Women didn't have a vote for hundreds of years, that didn't mean we couldn't change it.
yes but the whole point of a monarchy is that it is something that is passed down through a family. It's been that way for hundreds of years, you can't just change it now. you can elect the prime minister which is the person that runs the country. The monarch doesn't run the country so you don't need to elect her.
firstly, I never said it was a doctorship, just that such authority, which you admitted she has, should be given to someone who is elected. I have also not said once that they don't do a lot or aren't doing a great job. If you think the queen is the best person for the job, you can vote her, it's as simple as that.
she has some authority but its not a dictatorship, she can't just do whatever she wants.
It's a shame because they do a hell of a lot but people just don't realise.
the queen chooses the prime minister, can dismiss members of parliament, can veto laws, can run the military, and can pardon anyone convicted of a crime.
no one can help what family they are born into. The royal family don't rule the country so there's no point voting for a king or queen. And as I have said they do a hell of a lot for charities etc a lot more than the majority of us.
But it does negate all the objections you have thus far been able to present against the monarchy.
that doesn't make it right
hmmmm.....the monarchy pays for their own expenditures in a way. It's a bit complicated, but the British Royal Family is financed mainly by the hereditary revenues of the Crown. The British Parliament uses a percentage of the Crown Estate, a part of the Crown's hereditary revenues belonging to the sovereign that is placed at the disposal of the House of Commons, to meet the costs of the sovereign's official expenditures.
The Crown Estate is a collection of lands and holdings in the United Kingdom belonging to the British monarch as a corporation sole, making it the "Sovereign's public estate", which is neither government property nor part of the monarch's private estate. As a result of this arrangement, the sovereign is not involved with the management or administration of the estate, exercising only very limited control of its affairs. Instead, the estate's extensive portfolio is overseen by a semi-independent, incorporated public body headed by the Crown Estate Commissioners, who exercise "the powers of ownership" of the estate, although they are not "owners in their own right".The revenues from these hereditary possessions have been placed by the monarch at the disposition of Her Majesty's Government and thus proceed directly to Her Majesty's Treasury for the benefit of the British nation. The Crown Estate is formally accountable to the Parliament of the United Kingdom, where it is legally mandated to make an annual report to the sovereign, a copy of which is forwarded to the House of Commons.
The role of the Monarchy in British government is also mostly ceremonial and thus it isn't an electable position. They can't actually subvert or influence public policy. In fact: "As Head of State The Queen has to remain strictly neutral with respect to political matters, unable to vote or stand for election." --http://www.royal.gov.uk/monarchuk/queenandgovernment/queenandgovernment.aspx
that happens all over the world. People are born into rich families. they didn't do anything to earn it, they were just born lucky.
At the same time, those residences are historical landmarks. If they tossed the royals out tomorrow, the money would still have to go to upkeep on Buckingham and all the other properties. It would be horrible to let cultural icons and historic landmarks rot. You wouldn't advocate neglecting the white house or the Statue of Liberty I hope.
I'm not saying she doesn't do anything, I just believe it should be an elected role rather than a birthright. you also failed to mention the cost of keeping up the royal family's multiple luxury palaces which could be spent on much better things like welfare, NHS etc... Princess Charlotte was born in the last year, and was destined for a life of luxury, living in palaces with anything she wants at her fingertips. Meanwhile, a child was born into a poor family with little chance in life and only the cheapest of possessions. How is this fair?
READ MY FIRST LARGE COMMENT FIRST :)
These are sent up to her by the Private Secretaries in the famous 'red boxes'. All of these papers have to be read and, where necessary, approved and signed.
A series of official meetings or 'audiences' will often follow. The Queen will see a number of important people.
These include overseas ambassadors and high commissioners, newly appointed British ambassadors, senior members of the British and Commonwealth Armed Forces on their appointment and retirement, and English bishops and judges on their appointment.
Each meeting usually lasts 10 to 20 minutes, and usually The Queen and her visitor meet alone.
The Queen may also meet a number of people who have won prizes or awards in a variety of fields such as literature or science, to present them individually with their prize.
If there is an Investiture - a ceremony for the presentation of honours and decorations - it begins at 11.00am and lasts just over an hour. The Queen usually meets around 100 people at each Investiture to present Orders, decorations and medals.
The Queen will often lunch privately. Every few months, she and The Duke of Edinburgh will invite a dozen guests from a wide variety of backgrounds to an informal lunch. Occasionally, the guest list may consist of far fewer people, such as a newly appointed or retiring Governor-Ge
Another thing I think is important is that during the war the queen trained as a mechanic and drove ambulances
For me as a British citizen I love the monarchy! They are a symbol of Britain, something that makes me proud to be British, they are a symbol of the history of Britain. They are also brilliant people, especially the princes William and Harry, they are so down to earth especially Harry and they show you that they are just normal people they do an awful lot for charity as well, Prince Charles for example with the princes trust which tries to help people achieve their dreams.and the queen has over 600 patronages Not to mention Princess Diana who we all know was an amazing person helping charities etc. And obviously Queen Elizabeth II who should be an inspiration. she was never supposed to be queen but then her uncle abdicated, giving it to her father (Colin firth in the kings speech) and when he died she was only twenty five I believe and she had to take on that responsibility, and she does a lot that we don't know about, everyday she has to read documents, sign documents, she attends over 400 events a year, that's more than one a day! if you took away the monarchy from Britain at least that would be a huge symbol you've removed, they attract people from all over the world, the royal wedding and the jubilee for example. the mall was filled with thousands of people from all over the globe just to witness something that many countries dont have!!
The queen also does a lot of work that no one really knows about. here is a list of what she does every day.
he Queen's working day begins like many people's - at her desk.
After scanning the daily British newspapers, The Queen reviews her correspondence.
Every day, 200-300 (and sometimes many more) letters from the public arrive. The Queen chooses a selection to read herself and tells members of her staff how she would like them to be answered.
This enables Her Majesty personally to see a typical cross-section of her daily correspondence. Virtually every letter is answered by staff in her Private Secretary's office or by a lady-in-waiting.
The Queen will then see, separately, two of her Private Secretaries with the daily quota of official papers and documents. This process takes upwards of an hour.
Every day of every year, wherever she is, The Queen receives from government ministers, and from her representatives in the Commonwealth and foreign countries, information in the form of policy papers, Cabinet documents, telegrams, letters and other State papers.
I thought the UK was a constitutional monarchy, doesn't the royal family play some sort of role in government?
I don't see how they are any worse than the inequality in the US. The wealthy live in luxury,let while others struggle to survive. Now that the idea that nobility was chosen by God has largely been removed, there isn't a significant difference between the Royal family and the Trumps or the Kennedys.
the royal family are a symbol of how great inequality still exists in our society.
you love the queen? they dont take part in the development of UK. they just live in bukhingham palace and enjoy wealth and delicious food :-(
I love the royal family
because of stupid Tories and aristocrats who believe royals have a birthright to great luxuries.