Would you beleive in god if you witnessed a medical miracle that had no scientific explanation

October 25, 2015, 7:18 pm

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The debate "Would you beleive in god if you witnessed a medical miracle that had no scientific explanation" was started by stevenchen on October 25, 2015, 7:18 pm. 33 people are on the agree side of this discussion, while 22 people are on the disagree side. That might be enough to see the common perception. It looks like most of the people in this community are on the agreeing side of this statement.

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3 years, 10 months ago

no, believing in god is like opium.

people will allways find a scientific explanation to everything, no matter how long it takes.
till the human race dies off.

3 years, 10 months ago
sloanstar1000
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right, but at no point can we simply stick God in to explain what we can't explain, God isn't even a well defined word if its ever defined at all. The word "God" has no scientific or linguistic usefulness in understanding the nature of the universe.

3 years, 10 months ago
PsychDave
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That is true. Any sufficiently advanced technology will be indistinguishable from magic. We do however have a pretty solid understanding of many areas. Of someone went drop terminally ill to healthy in seconds, we could be fairly certain there was something miraculous since the human body itself cannot change states that drastically that suddenly. Likewise someone regrowing limbs.

3 years, 10 months ago

a "miracle" just means it defies a current explanation. If we can't explain it, that's where the buck stops, no reason to say God caused it.

3 years, 10 months ago
PsychDave
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That said, this is not an integral part of the topic, merely what would convince me.

3 years, 10 months ago
PsychDave
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I am envisioning someone like the disciples who travels and preaches and heals the sick wherever they go. I could certainly understand skepticism towards a single event.

3 years, 10 months ago

If the "miracle" is repeatable, yes. So if you have a blessed spring, priest laying hands, a certain prayer, or whatever, heals people consistently, then I would have to see God being the only possible explanation. However, a one off "miracle" is not convincing.

3 years, 10 months ago

That is a fair outlook. I can't say that I wouldn't be swayed if I saw something beyond medical science. If I saw a religious leader lay hands on a terminally ill person and the person was suddenly in perfect health, I would likely believe that there was supernatural at work.

3 years, 10 months ago

Forgot to mention that it also shows the vast complexity and variety of science. I'm not putting all the blame on us. Some things are just too complicated.

3 years, 10 months ago

Shortly my answer is no.
I think that there isn't a thing, especially in scientific fields like biology without a scientific explanation. However, there are some things (in fact most things) that we don't have the answers or scientific explanations for them therefore, there are some who consider them as miracles while they are just things which the human race hasn't had the time or means to learn. They are reflecting our ignorance about some scientific fields and our vast lack of knowledge about science and the universe.

3 years, 10 months ago

I am asking for unbiased proof. If that is impossible them the religion is a sham. Jesus healed lepers and blind people, this would provide exactly the kind of proof I am saying would convince me. The disciples healed the sick as well. If this is impossible now, why should I believe it was possible then? If it was possible then, why is God unable to do so now?

3 years, 11 months ago

but not any religious source, because are lies to you. you are asking for a non religious source to prove religion to you which is impossible.

3 years, 11 months ago

The stories about Jesus are the same stories that have been told throughout history about various gods and cult leaders. There is no proof. I wouldn't need to personally see it, but it would need to be documented with sufficient evidence to be supported.

3 years, 11 months ago

but you need to be their to see it. you can't believe Jesus and the saints that have done this many times?

3 years, 11 months ago

If a religious figure laid hands on someone with a 1lb tumor and it was instantly gone, that would be a fairly irrefutable miracle since nothing in science is able to change a living system that quickly. Likewise a limb instantly growing back. If you saw one of these things, would that give you sufficient evidence?

3 years, 11 months ago

I don't think it's possible to have an irrefutable medical miracle. just because we don't understand the science of why something happened doesn't make it a miracle. there are lots of examples of "miracles" which were inexplicable at the time and we later discovered how it happened. until we know everything it isn't possible to say for certain.

3 years, 11 months ago

If someone had cancer and immediately after someone laid their hands on them they were cured, science could not explain it. Our systems just don't change that fast. If someone regret a limb, again we know that this is impossible, so it would be beyond scientific explanation.

I am not saying that these things happen, or ever will, but if they were to happen it would prove that something was at work beyond science. Demanding evidence is understandable, saying that if you were presented irrefutable evidence you would choose to ignore it makes you no better than those who deny evolution because it contradicts their faith.

3 years, 11 months ago

As far as we currently know there always ends up being a scientific explanation for everything thought to be religious(e.g. cause of disease)

3 years, 12 months ago

Actually, there usually is an explanation that can be other than God. At first a man had his spleen suddenly appear after he somehow lost it. It helped us understand that spleens can grow back.

3 years, 12 months ago

If there was no scientific explanation, then yes. If it was someone miraculously going into remission after undergoing treatment for months, then no.

3 years, 12 months ago
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