The debate "Xmen and their enemy's would take the avengers and there enemy's any day." was started by
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Well since a lot of superheros and heroines switch between these groups (I.e. scarlet witch and quicksilver) I'm going to have to say that it would be impossible because the variables aren't set in stone.
X-Men are mutants who know how to use their superpowers to fight. The avengers are just regular people who know how to fight and happen to have cool weapons. The avengers' weapons wouldn't be able to defeat powerful mutants like wolverine or mystique.
I would be interested to see what would happen if Juggernaut ran into Thor's hammer. It would literally be an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
There are hundreds of mutants out there so the X-men can have any number of fighters, but the Avengers have way more resources, and there have been a large number of people in the Avengers. If we include anyone who was at one point in the Avengers, but who isn't ever in the X-men, we still have a sizable army of 50-70 people, many of whom are more powerful than many X-men.
The Avengers just have too many opportunities to negate the X-men's strengths. They can build technologies to shield against psychic attacks. They have plenty of opportunities to use cosmic energy. They have several world-class genius' on their side. They have money unlimited, and SHIELD, so before any battle they have access to brilliant tacticians (Nick Fury, Captain America) and an unlimited amount of research. Because of this they can have mastery of information and know better what to bring to the fight to face the X-men.
Only against a handful of X-men will any Avenger be outclassed. But against the most powerful Avengers many X-men would be helpless.
In the end, the Hulk or Thor would subdue Wolverine, and though there would be many casualties on either side, the Avengers would have won with too many strategic advantages, and the X-men would be subdued, scattered, captured or destroyed.
i would never include thier enemies in a battle between them, it wouldnt make any sense
so that being said, the avengers would definetly be outumbered, but by how much i cant suffice to say.
compared to avengers the x men have more power wielding units
I'm not convinced they have superior numbers. If we are basing it on core teams, they have a few more, but the post includes enemies in the battle. Just in the movies,the Avengers fought off an invasion or Earth, so that army takes their side. Avengers get Loki, who is usually far more magically adept than the movies portrayed him. Avengers would have Thanos, who is pretty much unbeatable. There are more mutants than Avengers, but by including enemies, the armies the Avengers have fought give them numerical superiority. The only thing that might balance the numbers is the Skrull invasion, and they weren't as individually powerful. They also lacked giant flying centipede things, and that's what makes it a party.
all superheros are brought to that point of extiniction, eventually, so its irrelevant to say the least
and yes, pawns can capture a king, but under prevailing odds. from what i have seen, shield agents are not too numerous, so the damage they would inflict wouldnt be too vast either
and as far as tactical advantage, the x men have the proffesor, quite a genius, so they have superior numvere and a smarter general, which counts for more then powers
With regards to shield agents being pawns, that may be true, but a pain can capture the King. Regular human soldiers have incapacitated mutants on several occasions either with bullets or darts. In the movies there were power neutralizing darts but even without them Shield has been shown to have some pretty advanced weapons, when it chooses to deploy them. Since we are including enemies, AIM and Thanos technology and abilities also come into play, and they are far beyond what the X-men typically use. The mutants would put up a good fight, but if they were invincible they wouldn't keep getting pushed to the brink of extinction by Sentinels and the like.
Hulk is usually in some kind of control (in the Avengers movie he knew which side he was on) and he is more or less immortal as well (decreased aging, rapid healing, etc same as Wolverine). If Thor knocked Wolverine out, Iron Man could take him into orbit, where he has no way to get back. As to Wolverine being able to take everyone, Hulk Vs shows Hulk can beat Wolverine, Deadpool, Lady Deathstrike, Sabertooth, and Omega Red simultaneously. He had a grenade go off in his mouth and it mage him angry. No burns, no bleeding, just angry. Wolverine can cut him, Cyclops can blast him, but he will just keep getting angrier and keep coming. Hulk is, to the best of my knowledge, the only character who has no upper limit to his strength and healing (at one point another character scans him and says something about it being infinite). He can punch his way between dimensions and, if he really stopped caring about anyone else, he could shatter the planet, killing everyone else. If he is the last one standing, regardless of him killing teammates, Avengers win. Kinda.
when hulk gets angry, hes a virtue and a danger. he would most likely attack both sides blindly, causing mass destruction
shield agents and them, are mere pawns with guns, and discarses easily.
it would be a good battle, but the avenvers are much much smaller, id have to do more extenisive research into comics but none of them are immortal except wolverine and thor, and all can be killed somehow, so i t comes down to whoever has mk
ore people with powers, hence x men
Wolverine alone can take them on...well he would not die but he can get an electric shock by thor and get unconcious ..so the fight will go on and on ...practically only age can kill wolverine and Thor so there is no true winner
Phoenix might be able to, but not easily since Hulk is resistant to mind control (hard for anyone to control that much rahe) and Cyclops me get be able to hurt him but hull has been through nuclear explosions, destroyed planets, and other similarly destructive from forces, so it think Cyclops could hurt him, but that would make him angrier, making him stronger.
In fact, in the Avengers vs X-men comic series Iron Man beat Magneto, though on a technicality. Iron Man wore a suit of carbon nano tubes which made him immune to Magnetos power and much more durable. Magneto, being a brilliant villain, still gave him a run for his money. At one point he extended his powers and reached out to the magnetic fields beyond the solar system, only to touch that of the approaching Pheonix. Touching it broke him and he pretty much gave up
Like I love both. don't get me wrong. I wish they would just make a movie about this. and correct me if I'm wrong. but iron man would be useless if magneto is in the fight. and do you think cyclops could kill hulk. because his rays have went through the top of a mountain. and couldn't phoenix use hulk against the avengers
More numerous, certainly. More powerful, not really. Most mutants have a specific ability, and are otherwise normal people. Cyclops can shoot cosmic energy from his eyes, but a hammer to the face would still take his head off. It also depends how extensive you are stretching who is included. If you include all mutants, you also should include all Asgardians and Shield agents. That and avengers have the Hulk and pretty much anything the X-men throw at him would just make him angrier.
With regards to enemies, the X-men tend to fight other mutants, and robots. Avengers fight invasions from other world's and tech that is far beyond Earth's. The numbers added by enemies favor the Avengers.
no xmen coule, thier army is much more vast
I dunno. I thought the Captain America vs Gambit was pretty conclusive. Additionally, you think Apocalypse could take out Thaonos? He's practically a god.