The debate "You can convert an athiest by showing them how happy and positive you are. Actions speaks louder" was started by
January 11, 2016, 6:45 am.
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That might be enough to see the common perception.
It looks like most people are against to this statement.
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Also being an atheist that doesn't believe in an afterlife makes it easier to enjoy life. You've only got one life, so it's your job to celebrate everyday and make it count!
Most of the religious people I've met have never tried to convert me.
Other than a few at a summer camp, but that's besides the point. No wait it isn't, I'm mentioning them later.
Anyways. They tried to tell me about the bible, and Jesus, and whatnot, and I did not want to convert. I don't care if he was the son of god or not because I don't believe in god.
And even if they were all happy, and kept on saying that heaven was lovely, and that they'd all get there in the end, and happiness and whatnot, I'd still not convert! Being happy does not make me want to stop believing in science and start thinking there's some did with a beard who'll sort out the mess this world is in. Not gonna happen.
You can convert an athiest with facts, something religion dose not possess.
Also, saying "Google it" is an abysmally lazy way to debate. Demonic possession has been debunked repeatedly. Don't believe me? Google it. It doesn't help the discussion so could you provide your evidence in the future instead of expecting your opponents to find arguments for you?
I did. As yet I don't see any real evidence. There are lots of blogs and such, but while several claim there are proof, and some even tell stories about cases that provide evidence, none of them seem to provide any links to original material or peer reviewed articles. Could you link something you think supports your argument, or did you not do any research before claiming reliable sources exist?
There are many examples from many sources about many cases of possession. Google it.
Do you have evidence to back that claim?
I'm saying what angordon3 said has happened before.
Are you taking some strangers word over the internet over a doctor?
seems like a regular case of possession with an easy cure. his brother let the demon inside of him; and by praying the demon left. prayer is very powerful and weakens the devil.
Disordered aren't normal! That's why they're called disorders! And it sounds like your brother does have skitz. Talking to himself, drawing "demonic markings" seeing things that aren't there, that is by definition schizophrenia.
And if you think the ouija board did it I'll tell you right now I own one. I have played with it many times and nothing has ever come close to happening. The brain will sometimes take things you believe to be fact and make them a reality at times. For instance your brother is Christian, he plays with a ouija board and oh look he's possessed. Then he asks your parents to pray for him and look he's all better.
You need to do your own research. Don't take what I'm saying as fact. I want you to find the truth yourself. Research on a credible website, not from a church, or one that is decorated to look spooky. Actually research the science of possession.
Doctors can put a disorder on anything, that isn't normal. There is obviously something wrong with the person if they have a disorder. Cause the doctor will never say "your child is possessed". I have seen stuffed animals move and walk. Call it how it sounds. My own brother was diagnosed with schizophrenic. Doctors just think happened out of no where. First case in my family line to happen to anyone. Let me tell you it didn't "come out of no where" he started playing the quija board. Was possesed by a spirit.Stopped talking to everyone, didn't shower, talked to himself, got into argument by him self or anlther spirit that was telling him to do stuff. Their were demonic symbols all over his room. Makings arent just markings, they mean something.. Turned his life around. One night came to my dad and mom and said "pray for me" ever sense then. Completly different person. He was in and out of mental institution. Moral of the story is it isn't just a disorder. Its deeper than that. Also that isn't even half of the stuff I've seen. I've seen miracle man... Real miracles.
Exorcism can be explained through mental disorder and things happening inside the brain. I would also like to ask what supernatural things have you seen?
Your correct however I would need a control for those miracles in order to prove their validity.
Not assuming that I know everyone's life, you can take it how you want. I just know a lot of people in GENERAL. That just don't know what to do and are always complaining and just don't have "can do' or "I need to make a change" mentality.
Because religious people are faithful to the lord.
I grew in the church. All my life. I have seen miracles and seen supernatural things. That athiest claim not to believe. I don't know what it is with non believers but, there are facts of Excorsim and thousands of events of such. The same way, non believers can
say how foolish we are believing in the bible. We can say how foolish of Athiest is not the believe in something.
While I am not atheist, I do feel that religions could, theoretically, convert atheists by providing proof. If religions could produce the kind of miracles that most claim, that would provide me with sufficient cause to believe they knew more than I do. If I saw the Pope lay hands on someone and cure them of cancer, or blindness, or regrow a limb, that would be something that our medical science says is impossible. To be able to produce that kind of result means either that he possesses technology so advanced that it can surpass the rest of the world (which is a long way to go to create a charade) or that there is a supernatural explanation.
The flaw with this argument is that while religious leaders claim such miracles are possible, none are able or willing to perform them. I understand the idea that we shouldn't test God, but if the Pope did so he wouldn't be testing God. He would be demonstrating God's power the same way Moses, Jesus, the disciples and many other figures in the Bible did.
When all is said and done, if the church posses the kind of power through divine intervention as it claims, it would be possible to convert many people. Until someone does demonstrate proof however, I will continue to be agnostic.
If they are a true atheist they won't simply convert because you're nice to them. They will ask for proof time and time again and even if you try it will not suffice. Religion cannot provide proof. It is all based on faith. Science however gives proof, and reason. It is also willing to change its mind unlike religion.
You could convert a lot of atheists by showing them that your religion is right, but that is the problem. Atheists demand proof, which religions don't tend to provide. I am sure there are some who would convert for the sense of belonging, community and purpose that come with religion, but the vast majority would be indifferent to your religious views regardless of how happy they make you.
i am an atheist and I am more than happy with my life.... I don't need religion to make me happy, it seems to do quite the opposite.
That's an almost offensive line of thought as it implies that atheists are somehow more unhappy. Assuming a superiority is a sure fire way to have an atheist ignore whatever you are about to say.
ignorance is bliss. it doesn't mean living in it is a good thing.